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Old 11-01-2012, 01:57 PM   #57
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Unfortunately if everyone had that point of view most commerce in the world would come to a screeching halt. It's an ordinary business practice to require a good faith deposit on transactions such as this. Obviously I was comfortable enough with the seller, based upon his prior transactions (feedback), to send a modest deposit. If I was the seller of a vehicle I would insist on a deposit as well, wouldn't you ? It was only $ 250- less than 1% of the total cost. I would not have put a significant (to me) amount at risk. I could walk away from the $ 250 and the cost of airfare if things didn't go as planned and chalk it up to a lesson learned. It didn't go that way and I'm happy as a clam with my purchase.

I pity those who live with the opinion that everyone is out to [moderator edit] scam them. You should be careful and reasonable, but to immediately assume that 80% of people are crooks and thieves [moderator edit] [ moderator edit {.
I agree it's no way to live. But get scammed for a large amount of money and tell me you wouldn't feel that way.
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:34 PM   #58
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I agree it's no way to live. But get scammed for a large amount of money and tell me you wouldn't feel that way.
I guess my point was we need to be careful and not expose ourselves to risking more than we might be willing to lose, but to start from the premise that 80% of people are out to get us seems unreasonable.
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:00 PM   #59
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Unfortunately if everyone had that point of view most commerce in the world would come to a screeching halt. It's an ordinary business practice to require a good faith deposit on transactions such as this. Obviously I was comfortable enough with the seller, based upon his prior transactions (feedback), to send a modest deposit. If I was the seller of a vehicle I would insist on a deposit as well, wouldn't you ? It was only $ 250- less than 1% of the total cost. I would not have put a significant (to me) amount at risk. I could walk away from the $ 250 and the cost of airfare if things didn't go as planned and chalk it up to a lesson learned. It didn't go that way and I'm happy as a clam with my purchase.

I pity those who live with the opinion that everyone is out to [moderator edit] scam them. You should be careful and reasonable, but to immediately assume that 80% of people are crooks and thieves [moderator edit] [moderator efit]

I have no fear doing business online with reputable businesses IE booking a flight, online shopping etc. however when it comes to dealing with the general public as in a private listing I am very guarded. If I consider buying a motorhome that is advertised privately I would first go see the motorhome in person ( pictures don't tell the story ) this is the first step in verifying a legitimate seller. Blindly sending cash is just playing into the criminals hands. This practice does not hinder my life style in any way so your pitty would be better directed to the victims of these crimes. I would never insist on a deposit. ( no reason for it ) If you want to buy my motorhome come look at, pay me in full and drive it away. The fact that pretty much anyone selling a large item is contacted by a crook speaks to the numbers out there.
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I was contacted by a detective in Nebraska this morning by email asking about Simon's Trucks. It appears one of their residents lost 20,000 to our scammer. I asked him how he found my name and he said he googled Simon's Trucks and this forum came up!!! So he sent me an email this morning and asked me to contact him. Same MO, same scam, Amazonpayments, yada, yada, yada. I wish I could say there won't be any more victims....but I know there will be. Makes me sad!!!
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Are you sure you were contacted by a detective? don't give him any personal info do I sound paranoid?
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So far I know of:
$32,000
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$20,000 lost to this one scammer!
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I was contacted by a detective in Nebraska this morning by email asking about Simon's Trucks. It appears one of their residents lost 20,000 to our scammer. I asked him how he found my name and he said he googled Simon's Trucks and this forum came up!!! So he sent me an email this morning and asked me to contact him. Same MO, same scam, Amazonpayments, yada, yada, yada. I wish I could say there won't be any more victims....but I know there will be. Makes me sad!!!
Be very, very cautious in communicating with this person. Be sure to verify his credentials as a detective and don't give out personal info until you do.
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Are you sure you were contacted by a detective? don't give him any personal info do I sound paranoid?
I hear ya. I actually Googled the main number of the police department first and called them and asked for the detective by name because the city was a bit remote... Ogallaga Police Dept in Nebraska. and I didn't give him any specifics, I just told him how my scam went down and he confirmed it was the same MO. I also directed him to my detective in my hometown in Southern Ca. I told him he would have more specifics regarding my case. He seemed eager to want to talk to the detective that was handling my case. Trust me, I have learned more from these posts in the last few days...my feelers are in overdrive. I keep picturing Simon's face on the other side of my monitor when I email people, creeps me out sometimes!!! Thanks for all the advice!!!
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Amazon Payments is real, but the scammers bypass it. They make you think that's where the money is going, but it isn't.
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I have learned that Amazon Payments exists but they don't handle RV or automobiles or boats. And their web address is actually payments.amazon.com, not sure if that makes a difference, tho!! But I think it might warrant a little background check, Thanks, Romeo..
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Thanks for the information, Romeo, might have to shoot off an email tomorrow and make a phone call!
And do what? Amazon Payments is a real service of Amazon as is Amazon Simple Pay.

Here's a link to the Amazon Payments site

And here's one to their Simple Pay site
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I don't want to rub salt on the wounds of the OP but the reason these scams are successful is due to people being greedy.

These scammers all offer the same thing, and that is they offer something significantly below traditional market value. These scammers make you jump through a lot of hoops to make the purchase and the only reason people go through all this crap is because they think they are getting a great deal.

The reality is that if it is "too good to be true" it probably is. Anything that is being sold well below market due to divorce, oversees deployment, job transfer, located out of state, etc... etc... is probably a SCAM!
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Got an email just the other day from one of my iPhone "contacts" saying he was on holiday in the Philippines. He had been robbed of his wallet and passport.
He had no accomodation no food, police were no help
Except for the bad English and the fact that his phone wasn't stolen it was a great story.
The scammers only have to win one occasionally to make it worth while.
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