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Old 11-02-2012, 11:01 AM   #71
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Phone rings.....

"Hi grandma"

"Billy"

"Yes, Grandma, it is me, Billy. I am down in Mexico and got into a car accident. I am ok but I need some money to get home. Can you help me out."


These scams come in all shapes and sizes. Be aware that the elderly are the most often targeted. Be careful everyday.
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Old 11-02-2012, 11:42 AM   #72
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These SCAMS must be running rampant right now. Here's one I checked into:


2005 NEWMAR MOUNTAIN AIRE 4304 - $53000 (Spokane)
http://spokane.craigslist.org/rvs/3347472874.html

(Too good to be true AD… 43’ tag axle, Mountain Aire, yea right! But thought I would check out the scam)

I would like to get more information on the coach and know where I can see it.
Ron

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I`m sorry I did not answer right away, but I received a lot of emails concerning the coach, plus I encountered some problems with a previous buyer.

The coach is currently stored at my summer house in Brookfield, WI. It has 35,250 miles, a clean and clear title, no rust, no damages and has always been stored indoors. I have all the manuals,keys and service records.

I am not trying to get rid of it, but since my husband passed away last year, there is no one around to take care of it. We used it to go camping with our grandchildren around Lake Michigan. The motorhome can be seen in Brookfield, but we need to arrange a meeting because I moved out to Anchorage, AK with my daughter.

You can find more pictures here: Image hosting, free photo sharing & video sharing at Photobucket


Thanks,
Tina S.
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(OK, beginning to see the scam take shape… can’t be there to show the rig)

Are you planning to be in AK for some period of time or will you be in the lower states in the near future?
Can you supply the VIN, and I would like to discuss the coach with you further. If you send your phone number, I will give you a call.

Ron

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Please find attached a copy of the title and also the carfax report.

Tina
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(This surprised me, I didn’t they would supply a VIN, and they sent a copy of the Wisconsin title ??? that’s strange to send a copy of a realistic looking title… fishy…)

You didn’t send your phone number for me to contact you.

Ron

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From: Tina Smith [mailto:tina@allway7.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 2:17 PM
To: Ron
Subject: Re: 2005 NEWMAR MOUNTAIN AIRE 4304 - $53,000

Ron,

Before moving forward with this transaction I want to set some details, otherwise I really don't want to waste your time or mine. As I've told you in my first email, the coach is stored at my summer house so I need to return to Wisconsin to finish this deal. Two weeks ago, I flew for someone interested. He told me that he will be paying in cash for the coach, but it turned out he was a middleman. He offered me the asking price minus $8,000, take it or leave it.

(OK, here it is, the need to have a lot of money up front… yeah, right I’ll just sent $50k to someone I talked to in email)

To avoid another trip for nothing, based on a buy/sell agreement, I want the asking price to be placed in a trust account with a local law firm before my return to Wisconsin. As soon as I have the confirmation from them, we can meet even next day in WI, or I can have it driven to a dealer close to you for an inspection. If the inspection finds any problems, you can either cancel the contract and get refunded, or I can pay for the repair invoice before the money is released.

I hope that you understand that I'm 3,000 miles away, but as I've told you I'm ready to work with you on this deal to make it happen.

Please let me know what you think,
Tina

920 276-1727. If by any chance I don`t pick up, please leave me a voicemail.
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Well we aren’t quite to the point of making deposits to a trust account, and I would have a problem with making a deposit of several thousand dollars to someone’s lawyer. A deposit of something less than the asking price is normal, not the whole amount. Only scams ask for large amounts up front.

What I did want to do is discuss the motorhome with you over the phone since I have several questions I want to ask.

Ron

(That’s odd, they didn’t respond. Maybe they were insulted when I mentioned SCAM… Oh well, I’ll just find another one... )

Some of what I did to attempt to find out who was behind this scam was to check the email address origin:

WHOIS shows this:
[name: allway7.com

Registrant Contact:
Whois Privacy Protection Service
Whois Agent gmvjcxkxhs@whoisservices.cn
+86.5922577888 fax: +86.5922577111
No. 61 Wanghai Road Xiamen Software Park
xiamen fujian 361008
cn

Administrative Contact:
Whois Agent gmvjcxkxhs@whoisservices.cn
+86.5922577888 fax: +86.5922577111
No. 61 Wanghai Road Xiamen Software Park
xiamen fujian 361008
cn

Technical Contact:
Whois Agent gmvjcxkxhs@whoisservices.cn
+86.5922577888 fax: +86.5922577111
No. 61 Wanghai Road Xiamen Software Park
xiamen fujian 361008
cn[/B][/B]

Since it appears to be originating from Asia, I'm leary.

Then "Tina" had provided a title with a Wisconsin address, so I checked the address in Google maps, Satellite View and found that the address shows a spot on a road with no house at that address. These are just some of the things one can do to get a better feeling of who they are talking to.
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Old 11-02-2012, 01:48 PM   #73
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I was contacted by a detective in Nebraska this morning by email asking about Simon's Trucks. It appears one of their residents lost 20,000 to our scammer. I asked him how he found my name and he said he googled Simon's Trucks and this forum came up!!! So he sent me an email this morning and asked me to contact him. Same MO, same scam, Amazonpayments, yada, yada, yada. I wish I could say there won't be any more victims....but I know there will be. Makes me sad!!!
Do NOT give him any personal info!! Some scammers like to 'follow up' and get more outta you by pretending to be a lawyer or cop investigating another case like yours..

Just dont do it..
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Old 11-02-2012, 01:53 PM   #74
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And do what? Amazon Payments is a real service of Amazon as is Amazon Simple Pay.

Here's a link to the Amazon Payments site

And here's one to their Simple Pay site
Yes, but thats NOT 'amazonpayments.com' which is a scam site.. In fact, it looks exactly the same, day to day, as Amazons real site, except that ALL of the links, when clicked, take you to a site where amazon payments dont actually work...
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I'm not an expert on this stuff but know that when looking at a URL to attempt to determine if it's legit - the important part - comes immediately after the first /

Look for % and other characters - words that don't logically fit with the source site or where you think you should be directed.

It's been a while since I looked at this stuff but there are sites that explain cyber security - spoofing - spear phishing etc. It doesn't hurt to read up on this info - ounce of prevention and pound of cure.
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Nice to print the dialog you had.
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If you have time and want to read funny exchanges between a man who's hobby is going back and forth with Nigerian scam operators. It is funny...they never give up....neither does he... a riot...

Ebola Monkey Man: Nigerian 419 Scam
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Interesting narrative, Ron. Thanks for posting it.

Seems as if others have had the same dialog with her pertaining to other RVs and boats. One guy even talked to her over the phone and she had a "heavy accent." *lol*

2008 Nautique Scam - Scam TipOff Report


That same Newmar Mountain Aire appears on Oodle. Notice how weird the description is worded.

2005 Newmar Mountain Aire 4304 | 2005 Newmar Motorhome in Spokane WA | 3198643751 | Used Motorhomes & RVs on Oodle Marketplace

...I've attached it to this post in case that link doesn't work.


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Interesting narrative, Ron. Thanks for posting it.

Seems as if others have had the same dialog with her pertaining to other RVs and boats. One guy even talked to her over the phone and she had a "heavy accent." *lol*

2008 Nautique Scam - Scam TipOff Report


That same Newmar Mountain Aire appears on Oodle. Notice how weird the description is worded.

2005 Newmar Mountain Aire 4304 | 2005 Newmar Motorhome in Spokane WA | 3198643751 | Used Motorhomes & RVs on Oodle Marketplace

...I've attached it to this post in case that link doesn't work.


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The description is a MESS!
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Yes, but thats NOT 'amazonpayments.com' which is a scam site.. In fact, it looks exactly the same, day to day, as Amazons real site, except that ALL of the links, when clicked, take you to a site where amazon payments dont actually work...
Here's a site with a list of some of the scam sites they're using:
Fake Amazon Payment Website Scam Warning

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http://payments-amazon-transactions.com/
http://www.payments-secure-amazon.com/
https://sites.google.com/site/d5rt666s/https://sites.google.com/site/u7yh7888/

1. http://amazon-vehicle-transactions.com/
2. http://amazon-payments-email.net/
3. http://online-transactions-amazon.com
4. http://transactions-online-amazon.com
5. http://www.amazon-payments-email.com
6. http://amazonpayments-used-vehicles.com/
7. http://www.amazononlinepayments.net/
8. http://secure.amazon-used-vehicles.com
9. http://amazon-payments-transactions.com
10. https://sites.google.com/site/cxvbg1/
11. https://sites.google.com/site/dxcv5t6/
12. https://sites.google.com/site/bn7yu8/
13. https://sites.google.com/site/cb6tya/
14. https://sites.google.com/site/h8io9r/

15. http://amazaonpayments.com/
16. http://amazon.payments-protection.com
Notice #15 just above, it's really close too
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Here's a site with a list of some of the scam sites they're using:
Fake Amazon Payment Website Scam Warning


Notice #15 just above, it's really close too
OMG.....I keep reading all these posts about Internet scams that members of the forum already know about and thinking did I crawl under a rock or bury my head in the sand because, before I got scammed, I never heard of any of these RV scams. Of course I've heard of the Nigerian thing (which was hilarious by the way)....but the fake RV pics and ads and Amazon....my husband and I found another coach on RV Trader, a 2004 Newmar Essex for 74,000 in Connecticut, gorgeous coach....yeah, right....what's that saying, if it's too good to be true??? Learned that one the hard way!!!
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OMG.....I keep reading all these posts about Internet scams that members of the forum already know about and thinking did I crawl under a rock or bury my head in the sand because, before I got scammed, I never heard of any of these RV scams. Of course I've heard of the Nigerian thing (which was hilarious by the way)....but the fake RV pics and ads and Amazon....my husband and I found another coach on RV Trader, a 2004 Newmar Essex for 74,000 in Connecticut, gorgeous coach....yeah, right....what's that saying, if it's too good to be true??? Learned that one the hard way!!!
The chances are there a lot of these RV scams and victims that you will never hear of.

Consider these factors:
1. RV's are generally high dollar items (it is where the money is)
2. Many buyers pay cash or equivalent.
3. Average buyer is generally 50 or older.
4. Older buyers are more trusting in general the populace as a whole.
5. Many of these potential buyers are not very internet savvy or aware of how easy it is for an oversees scam artist to conduct these scams.
6. Many of the folks that fall for these scams are embarrassed that they have been taken and will not get on the internet and publicize that fact.

Email address and contact information is easily changed. As soon as a victim is drained of their funds the scam artists change all their contact information and essentially disappear.

Anyone using the internet for buying/selling has to be vigilant and very skeptical. Craigslist in particular is rampant with scammers on both sides of the transactions.
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If you have time and want to read funny exchanges between a man who's hobby is going back and forth with Nigerian scam operators. It is funny...they never give up....neither does he... a riot...

Ebola Monkey Man: Nigerian 419 Scam
I'm sorry... thats funny
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He runs several ads on Rveclassified. My wife and I both had contact with him. I complained to Rveclassified and got no response.
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