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Old 12-21-2014, 06:46 PM   #15
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IMO a pre emission DP is the way to go!

ISL is a proven powerplant and Allison makes a great transmission. If you keep up with the routine maintenance and keep the fuel clean. (have extra filters) The odds are you will have tens of thousands of trouble free motoring. There's always exceptions and on the internet you usually hear about those catastrophic exceptions. Honestly how many folks are motivated to start the " I just drove to XXX from XXX and nothing happened" thread, the majority of equipment threads are going to be when folks are not out on the road IE broken rig.

IMO for any used motorhome, if your not mechanically adept have it inspected by a knowledgeable professional, and if you get the all clear hit the road, slowly until you know your new rig. Remember its not just a vehicle its a mobile house that spends many hours in an earthquake during a hurricane, so there will be maintenance and repairs on the house portion too. However, things remain more affordable if you stay on top of things.
Good luck on your purchase!

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Old 12-22-2014, 08:36 AM   #16
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Hey aboat guy: I love that analogy of the earthquake/hurricane.....and it is absolutely true.

We have a 2010 Damon Astoria that we bought new and in the past 5 years, I could list easily 30 items that have needed repair, replacement or adjustment. Most of which this DIY has done.

Our coach would have spent a lot of time in the shop, if I didn't do them myself.

Those you that aren't DIY are either very lucky that your coach doesn't get many problems, or you wait until enough stuff needs service that you get it a lot repaired in each repair shop visit.

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Old 12-22-2014, 09:44 AM   #17
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Although I agree with the idea of running your A/C once in a while, you can't in the winter because it won't come on (blower yes) but the compressor won't because the thermostat isn't calling for cool air (for obvious reasons)
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Old 12-22-2014, 09:53 AM   #18
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Although I agree with the idea of running your A/C once in a while, you can't in the winter because it won't come on (blower yes) but the compressor won't because the thermostat isn't calling for cool air (for obvious reasons)

If you ran the heater and raised the temperature inside the coach, then turned on the a/c it would run to cool it off, would it not?
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Old 12-22-2014, 10:03 AM   #19
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There is likely a shutoff on the outside of the AC to keep the compressor from running if the outside temperature is below a given temperature.
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Old 12-22-2014, 11:03 AM   #20
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WOW, lots of good information. Thanks to everyone that posted. We certainly do appreciate it.

I am a bit of a diy-er. I don't have the tools and equipment I once had when we had a stick house, but I can still deal with a lot of things. Also, I just hate paying someone to do something I can do myself.

When we bought this thing, there were a number of things wrong with it. All the air lines for the air leveling system had been cut. Some lines had been rerouted in what I think was an attempt to get the air suspension working, but didn't get it right.

The air dryer has been removed from the system with the "in" air hose attached directly to the "out" hose. There is a hole in the boss where the hose to the purge tank would go if there was one.

The generator slide is missing the hydraulic cylinder and lock valve. Don't know why.

The fresh water system manablock, water pump, filter housing, toilet valve, and bathroom sink were leaking. Thinking it wasn't Winterized properly.

The one touch power awning was not working. The non motorized arm was twisted pretty bad.

Plus a lot of minor things were not working properly. Those, I think are to be expected.

Now then, don't get me wrong. I am certainly to blame for this. I should have done a much better inspection of this thing before I bought it. I have an excuse that works for me, but it is still an excuse.

My issue is that the dealer assured me that some of these systems were working correctly, or they quoted me the cost to repair them. They swore that they were quoting me their costs, and were not making a profit on the repairs. Well, they quoted me about $1,500.00 + shipping of $128.00 + $300ish labor to replace the manablock. Turns out, I bought one off ebay for $130.00 shipping included and it took me 15 minutes to replace. They wanted $2,200.00 to repair the gen slide. doing some research, I should be able to get that done for maybe $700.00 on a bad day. The air leveling system, I did pay almost $2,500.00 to have the control box replaced. I did that because at the time, I had no knowledge of leveling systems, and it seemed quite complex. I should have done it myself. Oh, and after they did replace the control box, they told me that everything was working fine, but that one of the rams might be bent, and I might have to manually push it up on occasion. Huh, it wasn't working, and there is no way they could have thought that it was working, because, like I said, all the air lines had been cut, and, there are no rams to bend, it is an air system. I can't believe that these guys are that technically inept, so that leaves "BOLD FACE LIARS". No other choices there.

Anyway, I have managed to get the leveling system working correctly, replaced/repaired all the fresh water system issues, pretty much got the power awning working. I am thinking about drilling and tapping the boss on the air dryer, but just might replace the entire unit. The gen slide can wait for awhile. I don't access the generator that often, and can manually open and close the slide until I have time and money to get it repaired.

So, all things considered, I still like this thing. And I feel with what we paid for it, we still made a decent deal.

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Old 12-22-2014, 01:03 PM   #21
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If you ran the heater and raised the temperature inside the coach, then turned on the a/c it would run to cool it off, would it not?
When I was delivering a coach in the winter time. That is what I did to show
the A/C worked. It will not work with the heat pump, but works fine with the A/C.

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