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Old 03-19-2014, 07:29 AM   #1
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Lemon laws

Does anyone know anything about Lemon Laws for RVs? I bought a used Tiffin 38QBA with only 16,000 miles on it. To date, I have taken it in for service for 7, count them, 7 'check engine' lights and 'stop engine' lights. At present I am out about $4000. Each time, Cummins said it was a Freightliner problem and Freightliner said it is a Cummins problem! And that's when the fight started!
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Old 03-19-2014, 07:43 AM   #2
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I bought a used Tiffin 38QBA with only 16,000 miles on it.
I'm going to say buying used is going to cancel out anything to do with a "Lemon Law" What year is the coach?
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Old 03-19-2014, 08:04 AM   #3
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In most states buying used means as is. Sounds like your mechanics are not good at diagnosing problems.
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Buying used will always mean Caveat Emptor!
Buyer beware.
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Might just skip over the locals and call Cumins and see what they have to say. It might just be an intermittent sensor problem and if it doesn't throw codes it can be a real problem to find. Check the coolant level. Might give us the motor you have and post in the Cumins section for help, most likely your not the first with the same problem. Give as much detail as you can as to what when why how hot cold run time that day, anything that might show like symptoms.

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Here is your problem: " I bought a used Tiffin 38QBA with only 16,000 miles on it."

Lemon laws do not apply to the second owner. Your best bet it to suck it up and remain with a reputable Cummins shop and find the problem. If there is a check engine light or a stop engine, there should be a code thrown by the ECM
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His signature says it's a 2011. Mike, I agree with others, contact Cummins directly. You should still be in warranty and you might have to find another dealer to take it to.
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Old 03-19-2014, 10:16 AM   #8
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1. No Lemon Laws for RV's
2. Lemon Laws are only for NEW auto's

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Old 03-19-2014, 10:42 AM   #9
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Lemon law

Not true, California definitely has a lemon law. Here's the state web site

www.dca.ca.gov/acp/caprv.shtml

Google lemon law in your state and you will get any thing you want to know. Walt
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1. No Lemon Laws for RV's
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The Florida Lemon Law covers RV's except for parts of the vehicle "...characterized as living facilities". So, the chassis is definitely covered in FL.
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Does anyone know anything about Lemon Laws for RVs? I bought a used Tiffin 38QBA with only 16,000 miles on it. To date, I have taken it in for service for 7, count them, 7 'check engine' lights and 'stop engine' lights. At present I am out about $4000. Each time, Cummins said it was a Freightliner problem and Freightliner said it is a Cummins problem! And that's when the fight started!
A good lawyer with writing the right letter to both companies, along with Tiffin for working it out together, should cost a lot less than $4000 and you might first try, calling Bob Tiffin directly, who has a reputation for talking thing over with the owners. Might even ask if you'd like bringing it in to the factory, which may or may not be an option.
As for any Lemon Laws, I doubt seriously if any will apply in this case, but could be wrong about that.
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Part of my problem is that my spouse loves the layout due to the bunk beds for the granddaughter. I bought it used assuming that all the 'bugs' have been fixed. I know about assume so please don't go there. The dealership, Reines RV, apparently has written me off. Every time it happened, the computer showed a different code. This time it was the transmission filter and alternator, which showed an output of 15.9 volts vs 14.7. One time coming back from St. Louis, where we had to put father-in-law in altimizer home, the 'check transmission' light came on. Alllison put computer on it and discovered, for $149, it was not transmission problem, so off to Freightliner. Called Tiffin yesterday and I left a message on Bob Tiffin's answering machine but he has not gotten back to me. I wish I was rich enough to afford a 2014, but I'm simply a retired military man, who did his job as he saw it.
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Don't go the Reines, go to Cummins. I'm saying a real Cummins facility and not just an authorized service center. There was one in Manassas and large one near Baltimore.
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Part of my problem is that my spouse loves the layout due to the bunk beds for the granddaughter. I bought it used assuming that all the 'bugs' have been fixed. I know about assume so please don't go there. The dealership, Reines RV, apparently has written me off. Every time it happened, the computer showed a different code. This time it was the transmission filter and alternator, which showed an output of 15.9 volts vs 14.7. One time coming back from St. Louis, where we had to put father-in-law in altimizer home, the 'check transmission' light came on. Alllison put computer on it and discovered, for $149, it was not transmission problem, so off to Freightliner. Called Tiffin yesterday and I left a message on Bob Tiffin's answering machine but he has not gotten back to me. I wish I was rich enough to afford a 2014, but I'm simply a retired military man, who did his job as he saw it.
Whatever problems you're having, it's not because it a used unit, as every coach on the road is used. In fact, we would consider your model, new, by comparison. Having said that, we bought ours at 9yrs old and the third owner and must say it couldn't have treated us any better with what we paid and once we straightened out some quirks.
With a new unit, you just pay a lot more up front for a warranty, which is usually a real PITA and take much more of a depreciation hit, which it the biggest cost of ownership. I mean your coach, was once new also, or at least while it was still sitting on the Dealer's lot.
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