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Old 02-18-2011, 01:42 PM   #85
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The poster who "turned in" his neighbor should be ashamed of himself. What is next: Stone him in the streets? Take the law into your own hands ? This is more like Communisim. The expression mind your own business comes to mind. I wonder if that poster has any friends? Do we turn in all people that we think might be evading ( or in this case avoiding) taxes. Exactly like Nazi Germany!!!


Communism and fascism (Nazi) are both interesting but my neighbor (and possibly you) are really more into socialism. Socialism is great as long as there is someone else to pay for it. That’s the problem in Greece and Spain today. If there aren’t enough people paying for everything, the system collapses. The US may be heading that way. At what point to you still look the other way, when your neighbor runs a meth lab? How about underage prostitution or child molestation, should one ignore those also or is there is there a level of wrong that must be met? That ‘don’t snitch’ rule really doesn’t do anyone any good with the exception of criminals.

I think anyone who is a full timer should absolutely look for the least expensive place to register their MH, after all they aren't receiving any benefits from a state (school, local services, etc.). That full timer still pays for the roads they drive on (state and federal fuel tax) and federal income tax.

Every state has a myriad of taxes which support the services in that state. By avoiding taxes one is then looking for others to pay the tax but enjoying the services without paying for them. If you don’t like the tax structure, move... There is no utopia or perfect place, every state has its own mix. I grew up in Minnesota but moved west at an early age because of climate and excessive taxes.

I had the option to register in MT but didn’t because I only drive one weekend a month and the state law here is very specific on a 30day residence for license and registration. I have no income tax, and low property tax and the state is in the bottom 5 for welfare payments. I had no sales tax because it was between private parties. Now I don’t have to explain to why my license doesn’t match my plates and why an out of state vehicle is parked on a regular basis. At 40’ plus and 13’ high it’s hard to hide. The plates (also a personal property tax) are almost $3,000 a year but that pays for police, schools, fire, state and local government, I don’t have kids, but I use most of the other services. For me to avoid paying for what I use just feels selfish.

Is the plate cost high? Yes and no, the plate cost is about 1% of the vehicle cost, so it would be a lot if it was an $8,000 vehicle. I also voted for a higher fuel tax, because that pays for roads. Unlike Minneapolis, which just starting expanding the freeways after 30 years, Las Vegas has increased the lanes of I-15 three times in the last 10 years and added a freeway loop, because of higher fuel taxes.And trhen there was that bridge on I-35W in Minneapolis that fell. I don’t like driving on freeways 4 miles an hour (Twin Cities) when I could drive 70 (Vegas) so I don’t have any problem paying the extra 10 cents per gallon. I could buy off-road diesel (50 cents a gallon cheaper) but that would mean I’m not paying for the roads I drive on. The odds of getting caught are low, because Highway Patrol and weigh stations don’t check motor coaches for the red dyed diesel.

But it’s all about personal choice, everything we do has consequences, whether a moral or legal choice. If you are comfortable with your choice and an outcome go with it. I speed, but I know when I get caught, I’ll have a fine of several hundred dollars, but I only get caught once every 18 months.(I don’t speed in my MH, only my car). It’s wrong but I’m willing to accept the consequences. I don’t run red lights because of fear of getting broadsided (another consequence) or drive intoxicated (morally wrong). And I know someone may call the police/HP when I’m driving fast, but I don’t judge them, after all it was my choice to drive fast.

BTW - my neighbor called zoning 3 times for petty stuff and my dogs barking twice, but I'm not getting even, that was two years ago.
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Old 02-18-2011, 01:43 PM   #86
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Obviously some of you guys have never been an officer in an HOA....LOL!. What's going on with this thread is TAME compared to the backbiting and stabbing that goes on behind the scenes amoungst a group of upper middle class homeowners (neighbors).

Truth is neighbors "narc" on each other through jealousy and pettiness all the time. As President, I have disseminate all these complaints, cross reference with the CCR's and decide what to act on and what to sh*tcan. The source of much consternation is those in the neighborhood that own toys and RV's, and those that don't. 24hrs in and 24 hrs out to load only or someone wants me to send a letter or fine

The absolute worst in our neighborhood are some of the folks that have a Federal job........always crying about "fairness" Last time I checked, life is not fair, you have to make your own way in it
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Iron Man:: So who decides if a person is breaking the law? If I see you buy a new MH should I call the IRS as I dont think you have that kind of money? Where does it stop. Maybe he has a business in Montana. In Nazi germany sons turned in Fathers. Same thing happens in Communist China. People become the extension of Big Brother. If I see you running a red light should I call the cops. If I think your MH is overloaded should I call the weigh scale? Someone robbing your house is an obvious law breaker. How did the poster know that this person had a Montana LLC? Even if he knew this how did this poster knbow it was against the law? Is he a cop or a Judge. When you tip in a restaurant and you see the waiter pocketing the tip do you call the IRS?
People should mind their own business.
If state law require vehicles in the state full time be registered in that state and an out of state is parked 51 weeks a year for 3 years, it's owner is not following the law. And the owner is not paying his/her fair share. It's like buying a painting or jewelry in your state and having the merchant ship an empty box out of state to avoid sales tax. when the taxes in a state drop, schools, roads police/fire protection reduces, state parks close (not he state park, that's where I park my RV). People in NY who did that got caught. But its not my job to determine if it is a violation or not.

Would you be OK if I had a 6 figure income but collected food stamps?

Would you call the cops if I drove 60 through a school zone where your kids were walking? What if it was someone's elses school zone?
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Read carefully again. YOUR NEIGHBOR IS NOT THE OWNER. THE REGISTERED LLC IN MONTANA IS THE OWNER. YOUR NEIGHBOR IS NOT BREAKING THE LAW. If your neighbor moved from another state or bought the MH from another state and just failed to transfered the title so he has out of state plates on it then that is against the Nevada law but that is totally different and people are getting the two mixed up.
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Read carefully again. YOUR NEIGHBOR IS NOT THE OWNER. THE REGISTERED LLC IN MONTANA IS THE OWNER. YOUR NEIGHBOR IS NOT BREAKING THE LAW. If your neighbor moved from another state or bought the MH from another state and just failed to transfered the title so he has out of state plates on it then that is against the Nevada law but that is totally different and people are getting the two mixed up.
The LLC can own the vehicle but if it's 'garaged' in Nevada, then it is required to have Nevada plates under Nevada state law. That is true in most states, I learned that the hard way in NJ when I kept NV plates on a car (and I had a NV license and residence in NV). NJ is cheaper for registration but insurance cost is 1 or 2 highest in the nation. A friend had a MT LLC for his coach in UT but had to 'hide' the RV in his airplane hanger so the state/county couldn't see it parked for 9 months a year. But they tried...
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HERE'S an interesting little read.... Looks like some of the states facing substantial budget deficits are waking up.

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There is no sales tax in Georgia on a private party sales. I am not evading sales tax.
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There is no sales tax in Georgia on a private party sales. I am not evading sales tax.
If you are a GA resident and your vehicle is registered in GA, then you're playing by the rules. NV has no sales tax on private party sales either, but the plates are a based on vehicle value, and depreciated with age so the price will be in the thousands for a motor coach. It's offset by no income tax and low property tax, so its really part of the total package for living in a particular state. If one is a full timer, then they should look for the lowest place to register becasue they don't have a permanent dwelling for a residence and shouldn't have to pay for services they won't get. Residents with homes are different and that is where many people run into trouble with state taxation when their vehicle is regularly garaged at their residence but they have out of state plates.
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HERE'S an interesting little read.... Looks like some of the states facing substantial budget deficits are waking up.

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Excellent read--------an eye opener. The tax man is not dumb. Just because MT has ways to shield members of an LLC does not mean that states will not try to pull your innards out through your rectum with a chrochet hook.
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Read carefully again. YOUR NEIGHBOR IS NOT THE OWNER. THE REGISTERED LLC IN MONTANA IS THE OWNER. YOUR NEIGHBOR IS NOT BREAKING THE LAW.
The legal construct is not nearly that simple. For example, even though you clearly diminish the value of the coach by using it, are you paying the LLC for that use?

You also have to be careful that many states use the term "operator" and not "owner" -- another significant legal distinction.

There's a reason that most folks LOSE these cases when they actually have to deal with them. That's a FACT, not opinion.

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Its going to hit 100!! Wow! How about to each thier own? Due to different state laws what works for one might just not work for the next guy. As far as "ratting out to nieghbor"....grow up! Most men did this at a very young age and 99% ought to be over this behavior by now, but the world has to have 100% to work and go around. I live in pa. And talked to bennett in montana and just about did it by the laws spelled out in "the penna. Code of cevil procedures" but had to keep it out of the state for a minunim of 6 months. Could of have done this to comply with the laws in penna. , yes. Did i want to keep my coach in new york for that time frame , no. Could i of have driven it into penna. And put it into my garage and closed the door with no problems , yes. Did i advoid penna. Taxs on the cost of the coach , sure. Have i paid my share of taxs in penna. So far at the age of 51 and worked in penna. All my life , you better beleve it! So the difference here is that next time you ask me what would i do , i really screwed up by not forming a llc not only for my coach , but to list and include everything i own. Live and learn , and just remember what works for one does not work for the next , bending or breaking the law or not. To the fellow that ratted his neighbor out , i hope i never pass you on the interstate going 10 mph faster that you..........

PS I HAVE PAID A LARGE AMOUNT OF SCHOOL TAXS IN PENNA. ALL MY WORKING LIFE AND NEVER CHOSE TO HAVE CHILDREN.........BUT I STILL PAID?
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i hope i never pass you on the interstate going 10 mph faster that you..........
I hope you do, I always want to be the second fastest car on the freeway...
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The massachusetts thing was an interesting read...
Wonder why they failed to mention under what law they were going after these people?

Is it illegal in massachusetts for a non-massachusetts company to own a vehicle?
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