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Old 09-27-2015, 11:30 AM   #1
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Maxforce Engine

I own a 2013 Knight with a Maxforce engine. Has anyone had problems with a very low trade in value? I was told because of the engine the trade in is low.
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Old 09-27-2015, 11:36 AM   #2
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IMO they are jerking your chain. Absolutely no knowledge about it other than the engine has been around for years.
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Old 09-27-2015, 12:33 PM   #3
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Compare the value to NADA. It shouldn't be horrendously lower remembering dealers have to make a profit and these are average selling prices.
2013 Monaco Knight Series M-36PFT 350hp MaxxForce Standard Equipment, Prices & Specs - NADAguides

Also check what similar models are selling for (PPL lists prices for sold MHs) and check the classifieds.

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That's simply the dealer game .... if you own it - it ain't worth much ... if they're selling it, it's highly valued. Push away from the negotiating table and start walking towards the door - you won't find out what it's really worth until the door starts to swing shut behind you.
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Old 09-28-2015, 09:07 AM   #5
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That's simply the dealer game .... if you own it - it ain't worth much ... if they're selling it, it's highly valued. Push away from the negotiating table and start walking towards the door - you won't find out what it's really worth until the door starts to swing shut behind you.
EXACTLY. Sad, but true!
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International produced the Maxxforce. They were unable to meet the EPA emission standards, and after a few years of paying huge penalties, they shut down production. As far as I know, there is nothing wrong with the engine other than not meeting emissions requirements.
I think the Dealer is playing games, although I must say I would think twice about purchasing a coach with a discontinued motor.
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International produced the Maxxforce. They were unable to meet the EPA emission standards, and after a few years of paying huge penalties, they shut down production. As far as I know, there is nothing wrong with the engine other than not meeting emissions requirements.
I think the Dealer is playing games, although I must say I would think twice about purchasing a coach with a discontinued motor.
You are correct that Navistar lost its battle with the EPA about their emissions technology (they have now gone the DEF route) , but you are mistaken about them shutting down production. See here for the current engine offerings:
International Trucks Engine Portfolio | International Trucks

Full disclosure, I'm no fan of Navistar because of what they did with Workhorse. Also, I did not see them list RVs as a user group for their current offerings. Since Navistar sold Monaco & HR to ARG, I'm guessing they have no captive RV market for their engines.
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There are a number of class action lawsuits over the Maxforce engine.
Not only for EGR but reliability issues, lots of failures.
I wouldn't touch one with a 10 foot pole.
IMHO they are a piece of junk.
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It is hard for me to understand why people will bash an engine based upon hearsay. The Maxxforce 10 engine is the one used in the Monaco coaches. It has not been the basis of any lawsuits, has not failed to meet EPA standards, and has proven to be a very reliable engine. It is the only large diesel engine, that I know of, manufactured after 2007, that does not require the use of DEF to meet the EPA standards.

Navistar did have problems with their larger engines, but seem to have survived that, and all you have to do is look at the large number of Navistar big rigs on the road all over the US and Canada.

I'm not necessarily a supporter of Navistar, but I sure dislike misinformation.
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There are a number of class action lawsuits over the Maxforce engine.
Not only for EGR but reliability issues, lots of failures.
I'd sure join one against Cummins on the ISX engine reliability if I could find one!
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You don't have your facts straight either. DEF did not come into the picture until 2010 engines.
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You don't have your facts straight either. DEF did not come into the picture until 2010 engines.
Sorry about that. Thanks for the correction.
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It is hard for me to understand why people will bash an engine based upon hearsay. The Maxxforce 10 engine is the one used in the Monaco coaches. It has not been the basis of any lawsuits, has not failed to meet EPA standards, and has proven to be a very reliable engine. It is the only large diesel engine, that I know of, manufactured after 2007, that does not require the use of DEF to meet the EPA standards.

Navistar did have problems with their larger engines, but seem to have survived that, and all you have to do is look at the large number of Navistar big rigs on the road all over the US and Canada.

I'm not necessarily a supporter of Navistar, but I sure dislike misinformation.

Google it and you will find a list of class action and lawsuits over this engine.
I have direct experience with these engines, so before you call it hearsay, maybe you should check your information out.
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The issue here is one of marketability rather than technical merit. More than a few Rv buyers are going to distrust a coach that has an unknown (to them) or suspicious (to them) engine. You see some evidence of that right in this very thread - some folks want no part of a Maxxforce engine vehicle. Some prospective buyers will refuse to consider the coach at all, and others may have to be enticed with a more attractive price. The dealer's lower trade-in value reflects that risk.

Navistar's & International's reputations have gone way downhill in the view of the buying public. The fiasco with their version of the "new" Ford Powerstroke engine (since dropped by Ford), the emissions testing failure of their entire diesel engine product line, and the broken promises that led to the demise of both Monaco and Workhorse have hurt them badly.
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