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Old 05-05-2016, 12:34 AM   #57
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Slemnah, I'm not sure how long ago you purchased in AZ and then took your unit to CA. The discussion came up a few weeks ago about a dealer in AZ selling to an out of state buyer. The seller was going to deliver the coach to the buyer in NM to avoid the AZ transaction tax. It is possible that AZ and CA have some level of reciprocity similar to what NY and NJ use.

They must have because when I registered mine in CA I had to pay the difference between AZ tax and CA tax to CA.
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Old 05-05-2016, 05:51 AM   #58
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I have no problem paying a fair sales tax.
If I buy a Freightliner truck in Pa. for $80K the sales tax is 6% or $4,800. If I buy a home for $300K the sales tax is 0.
If I buy that same Freightliner truck with the home on it for $380K the sales tax is 6% of the total or $22,800.
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One is a motor vehicle and the other isn't. Don't know the answer to this one but do they charge sales tax on a modular home? Travel trailer would be taxed. Modular home, mobile home for some, is a trailer that doesn't typically move.
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Old 05-06-2016, 06:18 AM   #60
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I have no problem paying a fair sales tax.
If I buy a Freightliner truck in Pa. for $80K the sales tax is 6% or $4,800. If I buy a home for $300K the sales tax is 0.
If I buy that same Freightliner truck with the home on it for $380K the sales tax is 6% of the total or $22,800.
His point is that a full timer's home that is on that same Freightliner chassis is taxed as a motor vehicle and subject to the sales tax but if it were permanently attached to the real estate beneath it then it is not taxed. The materials used in the construction of a real property house are subject to the sales tax when it is constructed but not when it is sold.

The sales taxes on mobil homes will probably vary from state to state.
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Old 05-06-2016, 08:30 AM   #61
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Do you have property tax in PA? If yes then you pay none yearly on the MH but get the services, now how do you suppose to pay YOUR fair share? So many think there is a big bucket in the sky these services come from. I want them but don't want to pay. Fire, Police, 911, I would say the tax on the MH does not cover.

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OlyLen, well said. I was a small town Mayor in Missouri and you would be surprised how many residents thought their taxes should never go up. Some folks thought that since their children were grown and no longer in school, they should be tax exempt.

None of us want to spend our hard earned money on intangibles, but we all want 911 to answer when we dial it.
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You dont pay sales tax when you buy a home because sales tax was paid by the builder when buying the materials.
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None of us want to spend our hard earned money on intangibles, but we all want 911 to answer when we dial it.
I think most of us would agree .. however .. when a locality spends $18M on a high school football stadium .. it's a problem
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OlyLen, well said. I was a small town Mayor in Missouri and you would be surprised how many residents thought their taxes should never go up. Some folks thought that since their children were grown and no longer in school, they should be tax exempt.

None of us want to spend our hard earned money on intangibles, but we all want 911 to answer when we dial it.
Let's compare two states pretty much in the same area of the country, Mo and Tn.
I was raised in rural Mo. and lived there off and on for much of my life, including when I retired. In my opinion Mo. has every tax known to man, gambling and casino. Their county roads and a lot of state roads are the same as they were 50-60 years ago. I finally got tired of the taxes and moved to Tn. No income taxes, no personal property taxes, low realestate taxes, no state vehicle inspection, their sales tax is a little higher than Mo, but not by much. Their road system puts Mo. to shame, 95% of Mo. county roads are gravel washboards, 95% of Tn county roads are paved.
So I can see why people in Mo. don't want to pay more taxes. Where does all the money go that Mo. now collects.
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I think most of us would agree .. however .. when a locality spends $18M on a high school football stadium .. it's a problem
$18 Million!?

Do a Google search on Allen Eagle Football stadium. It's in Allen, TX. $62million football stadium... and then was condemned after the first season due to low quality concrete used!

My point. This tax issue has two sides of the equation. I don't mind paying my share, but I hate when the "Power's-that-be" waste it!

As for painting with the broad brush of ...
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... So many think there is a big bucket in the sky these services come from. I want them but don't want to pay. Fire, Police, 911...
I think to be fair we need to paint with the same broad brush and say...
"So many taxing entities just see the citizen's pocket as a big bucket in the sky from which they can just reach in a grab more cash when they want it!"

There... now the equation is fair and balanced!
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All very valid points and there is no defending bad management of tax dollars. My only thought was if tax avoidance is your reason for registering your Motorhome in another state, it just makes it that much harder to provide services we all want and need in your home state.
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Sure is a lot of moral judgment on this thread about possible tax scammers out there.

In 15 years at the same military campground in California, half the Class A's there have South Dakota or Montana plates -- and I never thought anyone was defrauding the government.

Tax avoidance is the name of the game. Tax evasion is not. Maybe some owners have more opportunities to avoid paying taxes.
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I don't understand those that feel that those that legally avoid paying a tax are doing something wrong. Do those that feel there is something morally wrong with legally not paying a tax intentionally pay more than they owe? I have spent over 40 years of my life interpreting the tax codes of the federal government and the state of NY and I have NEVER had a client say to me that they wanted to pay more in taxes than they owe.

Do you not deduct your interest on your RV because you want to pay more in taxes than you owe? Did you not deduct the sales tax paid on your RV because you want to pay more than you actually owe in taxes? Did you intentionally not take the solar tax credit so that you could pay more in taxes? Would you intentionally buy your RV in a jurisdiction which would charge you more in sales tax?

Please realize that the logic is the same. No one needs to pay more than they owe. If you think the law is wrong then by all means look into getting the law changed.
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I have been watching this thread sonde inception. I have watched others as well. Interesting that our storage facility recently asked all 40 or so RV to leave and find alternative facilities.

My wife and I went to check on our RV last night in the new location and my wife noticed almost all of the RV's were licensed in Montana. Looks like a fair number of people in my area operate Montana LLC's to own some of their assets.

The only comment I can contribute and maybe one of our tax experts can answer is why isn't it illegal for business to domicile in the state of their choice? Why can't private citizens own businesses (LLC) in different jurisdictions to own, operate and manage their assets?


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