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Old 10-09-2013, 12:42 PM   #43
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I am glad that you found a resolution on the problem. I am amazed that anyone would fix something in that manner. You might want to go to lowes or Home depot or someplace like that and get an electrical outlet tester then check all of your electrical outlets to see if they are wired correctly. I know that there are posts from a certain individual that will tell you that in a certain condition those testers are not accurate but for the purpose you need it for at this point it will probably be a very inexpensive method of telling you if the receptacles all have power and a good ground. I believe once you have seen the type of electrical engineering performed on your breaker box that everything electrical in the coach is suspect until you check it out.
I have one of those testers actually. I will do that tonight when I get back. Thanks!

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I'm assuming that you have a 50amp plug in use for shore power, but either way, someone has for whatever reason, decided to use only one side or hot wire to supply both sides of the breaker box. Don't know why this was done and maybe because one side was lost from their 50amp supply and they didn't know what else to do about it. If you were to use a 30amp plug and no converter cord, this would be required for energizing both sides of the box as well. Still don't really get it to the whys of this thing, but it should be easily corrected. If your EMS is showing 50amp, then this could just mean that both sides of the breaker box is energized and not necessarily with an opposite potential. The Jumper does this by feeding both sides with the same potential. Story short, it decreases the power available from 100amps @ 120v to 30amp @ 120v.
It is a total mystery to me but I am thinking along your lines that the problem was in the past with a pedestal. It still really makes no sense. It is defintely a head scratcher.

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Old 10-09-2013, 04:04 PM   #45
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You might want to join either the Monacoers Yahoo Group where you would have access to manuals and tons of very helpful information from other owners.

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Regarding the black/white error..

I happen to be a person who makes that kind of mistake many times.. I am not saying the electrican who posted it simply typed the wrong word.. but I've done that, I think black and type red or something like that.

Now here is the problem. RED can be a few different things depending on who put it there and what it was used for.

So, without eyes on and a meter as well. I'd not say what the red wire is. I notice some up-thread said.. Just that.

In an RV epically. Colors may not mean what you think.
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What I thought was kind of strange in the photo was that there was no ground wire with green insulation coming out of the cable. I know that RV cords don't have solid wire in them so that solid 14ga wire close by likely isn't going into the cable but somewhere else that can't be seen. But...where is the ground wire? If there is only a red, black, and white, then that's not an RV cable. If it was cut off, that's not good either.

Then the diameter of the cable looks more like 30A then 50A, but that's hard to tell from the photo.

But OP says that it's working now, and that it has a molded 4 prong head on the pedestal end so I guess I just can't see the ground wire. Maybe it's behind the panel?
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The ground wire is right behind the blue wire and is terminated in the ground bar. It is a bare conductor.

Someone also asked about Romex. The cable feeding that panel is fed with a piece of Romex (NM-B).
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What I thought was kind of strange in the photo was that there was no ground wire with green insulation coming out of the cable. I know that RV cords don't have solid wire in them so that solid 14ga wire close by likely isn't going into the cable but somewhere else that can't be seen. But...where is the ground wire? If there is only a red, black, and white, then that's not an RV cable. If it was cut off, that's not good either.

Then the diameter of the cable looks more like 30A then 50A, but that's hard to tell from the photo.

But OP says that it's working now, and that it has a molded 4 prong head on the pedestal end so I guess I just can't see the ground wire. Maybe it's behind the panel?
Keep in mind that this is after the transfer switch so you aren't looking at the cord to the pedestal. The ground can be a separate wire from transfer box to ground buss in breaker box. As long as the bond is intact it could be difficult to see in the photo.
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The ground wire is right behind the blue wire and is terminated in the ground bar. It is a bare conductor.

Someone also asked about Romex. The cable feeding that panel is fed with a piece of Romex (NM-B).
Although the ground does appear to be a solid wire ground, the red wire (and probably the black wire) sure looks stranded to me (not NM-B). A separate solid or stranded ground from the transfer switch to the ground buss in the distribution panel is acceptable.
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Regarding the black/white error..

I happen to be a person who makes that kind of mistake many times.. I am not saying the electrican who posted it simply typed the wrong word.. but I've done that, I think black and type red or something like that.

Now here is the problem. RED can be a few different things depending on who put it there and what it was used for.

So, without eyes on and a meter as well. I'd not say what the red wire is. I notice some up-thread said.. Just that.

In an RV epically. Colors may not mean what you think.
I'm more likely to think "red" and type "Killians"
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Although the ground does appear to be a solid wire ground, the red wire (and probably the black wire) sure looks stranded to me (not NM-B). A separate solid or stranded ground from the transfer switch to the ground buss in the distribution panel is acceptable.
All Romex #8 and larger have stranded conductors (black, red, white) and the grounds are ALWAYS bare and a solid conductor. It's obvious to see the black jacket surrounding the cable with the three colored conductors and the bare ground.
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All Romex #8 and larger have stranded conductors (black, red, white) and the grounds are ALWAYS bare and a solid conductor. It's obvious to see the black jacket surrounding the cable with the three colored conductors and the bare ground.
I stand corrected ... it very likely is #6 stranded NM-B.
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Take it back to the stealer and have them test the electrical system and reconnect the wire. Is should be but an hour's worth of labor. Pay them to do it and if something gets fried, they were the last to work on it, they should cover their repair. If they don't want to work on it, call the BBB. After all, they sold you the coach and it is a hazard as it currently exists.
You should not have to pay them for the work. The MH should work when you bought it even though it is used.
Have the Stealer fix it, also make sure you check out everything while you can. When you get it back make sure to go through and run everything electrical from the generator and shore power.
Good luck and don't let the Stealer take anymore advantage of you.
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What I thought was kind of strange in the photo was that there was no ground wire with green insulation coming out of the cable. I know that RV cords don't have solid wire in them so that solid 14ga wire close by likely isn't going into the cable but somewhere else that can't be seen. But...where is the ground wire? If there is only a red, black, and white, then that's not an RV cable. If it was cut off, that's not good either.

Then the diameter of the cable looks more like 30A then 50A, but that's hard to tell from the photo.

But OP says that it's working now, and that it has a molded 4 prong head on the pedestal end so I guess I just can't see the ground wire. Maybe it's behind the panel?
The picture is of the breaker panel in thebedroom not of the cord from the pedestal.
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Regarding the black/white error..

I happen to be a person who makes that kind of mistake many times.. I am not saying the electrican who posted it simply typed the wrong word.. but I've done that, I think black and type red or something like that.

Now here is the problem. RED can be a few different things depending on who put it there and what it was used for.

So, without eyes on and a meter as well. I'd not say what the red wire is. I notice some up-thread said.. Just that.

In an RV epically. Colors may not mean what you think.


Well, I need to apologize. I over-reacted to the initial "flame". It caught me off guard. I spend more time on marlinowners.com, a gun forum, than I do here and that just doesn't happen there. I've never seen anyone get hammered right off the bat for a typo (complacency I guess). Maybe something along the lines of "I think you meant red to black for 220." Instead of immediately telling you "YOU'RE WRONG".
But hey, I should have known better, from some of the other conversations I've seen here.
I'll probably just avoid any "technical" discussions and just read what others have to allow.
There's some folks out there that lie in wait for someone to screw up so they can immediately correct them, I know, I'm married to one.

Again, please accept my apology.



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