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Old 08-05-2005, 10:19 PM   #15
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RV Roamer:
But personally I think a front diesel will flop. Not enough advantages to outweigh the noise and heat problems of a front engine. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I would tend to agree. The only significant feature is the 26000 GVWR; which could also be a problem: Most jurisdictions limit GVWR to 24000 lbs. for a standard driver's licence, so an upgraded licence might be required.

The 300 HP also seems a little skimpy for that kind of GVWR. That's 20% less power than the Ford V10 gasser with 360 HP.
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Old 08-05-2005, 11:08 PM   #16
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stan Birch:
a little skimpy ... the Ford V10 gasser with 360 HP. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
362hp @ 4750rpm & 450 lb/ft of torque vs
300hp @ 1600rpm & 660 lb/ft or torque

Skimpy? Please explain, I'm curious where you see skimpy.

Cummins also has a 5 year 100,000 mile warranty. Coupled with an Allison 2500 6 speed box, I think you have a pretty good package.

Regarding upgraded license? We often see any and all kinds of drivers operating 42' to 45' twin screw RDPs with air brakes with nothing more than a driver's license. They "should" all at least have an air brake endorsement on their licenses you would think.

WCC tried FRED and it didn't work out then but who knows now how it'll be received. We'll just have to wait and see. One other thing that will blow up the MSRP on a FRED would be a diesel generator set would it not?

Either that or we'll see lots of dissatisfied LP generator owners.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DriVer:
362hp @ 4750rpm & 450 lb/ft of torque vs
300hp @ 1600rpm & 660 lb/ft or torque </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Those figures indicate that a Ford gasser will climb a hill 20% faster than the diesel, based upon vehicles of equal weight. Add another 4000 lbs to the mix, and the difference will be more like that of an F-250 climbing a hill; and an F-250 climbing a hill hauling a 4000 trailer behind it.

&gt;Regarding upgraded license? We often see any
&gt;and all kinds of drivers operating 42' to 45'
&gt;twin screw RDPs with air brakes with nothing
&gt;more than a driver's license.

That doesn't mean it's legal. My drivers specifies that I can't drive any vehicle or combination of vehicles with a GVWR exceeding 24,000 lbs. A standard clause in any automobile insurance policy is, that the policy will not respond if you are not "authorized by law" to drive a vehicle. So at the outset, your insurance is void.

And if you get stopped by the police, and they discover that you are not licenced to drive a rig of that weight, apart from the fine, they are not going to allow you to drive away with that vehicle. It will either have to stay where it is until you can find a driver licenced to drive the rig away; or have it towed away and impounded until you can find a licenced driver to drive it away from lockup.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stan Birch:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DriVer:
362hp @ 4750rpm & 450 lb/ft of torque vs
300hp @ 1600rpm & 660 lb/ft or torque </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Those figures indicate that a Ford gasser will climb a hill 20% faster than the diesel, based upon vehicles of equal weight...... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, not. While it's true that 362 HP is about 20% more than 300, the problem with any engine is that you need to get to a given rated RPM to reach that horsepower level. The Ford V10 will have to scream it's way to 4,750 RPM and stay there. In real life driving situations, that just doesn't happen. The problem with gas engines is that the power falls off rapidly at lower revs that in a diesel enngine, which has a fatter torque curve.

The Cummins ISB will reach it's rated 300 HP at only 1600 RPM. During normal driving the revs will vary from that by a few hundered but the horsepower will be remarkably close to 300. With the V10 you'll be running between 2,500 and 4,500 RPM on many grades, depending upon how steep they are, how curvy they are, traffic conditions, etc. You'll find a much larger reduction in available power at those RPMs and your hill climbing time will suffer.

That's a good point about the generator set. I've heard that the Allegro Bay was about a $7,000 upcharge for the FRED. Naturally, they won't use gasoline powered gensets because that would require dual fuel tanks (too confusing, waste of space, and extra costs) so they will either run a diesel genset or an LP powered genset. I wonder what they are using in that price estimate. LP gensets have never been overly accepted in the RV community, and for good reason.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stan Birch:
That doesn't mean it's legal. My drivers specifies that I can't drive any vehicle or combination of vehicles with a GVWR exceeding 24,000 lbs. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Perhaps that's true in Ontario however in the states "most" (not all) will exempt RVs from requiring CDL, air brake endorsements or other credentials to drive a large motorhome.

I think that folks should at least have an air brake endorsement to drive an air brake equipped vehicle however it isn't against the law.
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Here's an interesting example posted in the Ford Truck Forum:

"I bought a new 05 F350 King Ranch crew cab dually to replace our 95 F350 2 weeks ago. The dealer registered it as a class 8 vehicle (13,000 GVW) as the door jamb plate on the truck indicated.

I hooked it up to my 14,000 GVW gooseneck trailer and was pulled over by the PA DOT and was ticketed for the following:

No CDL license, no log book, no fuel tax stickers, improper registration, no warning triangles, no fire extinguisher, no medical card and overweight. (truck and trailer combined weighed 21,000 LB.) I was not allowed to drive my truck any further. We had to have a CDL driver come and pick up our truck and trailer and drive it back to our farm.

The ticket is $3,400.00. The officer stated that if the rated weight of the truck and trailer combined is over 26000 lb., CDL and commercial vehicle requirements are in effect. My old dually was 11000 GVW and I never had a problem. With the new truck the combination weight is 27,000 GVW."

http://www.fordtrucks.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=297338
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Here's an interesting example posted in the Ford Truck Forum... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Stan, Take the same truck and hang a fifth wheel RV trailer on it and the owner would have not been subject to a ticket from the DOT.
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Take the same truck and hang a fifth wheel RV trailer on it and the owner would have not been subject to a ticket from the DOT. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
How do you figure that?? Is a horse trailer not a recreational vehicle??
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Stan, what license would this PA driver have required in Ontario?
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Driver,

In PA if the GCVW is &gt;26,001# and the trailer is &lt;10,000# or a single vehicle is &gt;26,001#,a Class B NON CDL is required. If the trailer is &gt;10,000# a Class A NON CDL is required. These requirements are for RV's

These requirements can be found in the PA Drivers Manual.
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These requirements are for RVs. These requirements can be found in the PA Drivers Manual. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks for bringing it up. Most states do not require special licensing or endorsements for RVs. I hope that changes over time.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dleslie125: what license would this PA driver have required in Ontario? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Class A: same licence as required for 18 wheeler drivers.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stan Birch:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dleslie125: what license would this PA driver have required in Ontario? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Class A: same licence as required for 18 wheeler drivers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly (with the exception of a Z endorsement if it doesn't have air brakes).

How often does one have to be retested (written and practical) and have a medical to get a Class A license renewed at age 65?
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