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Old 09-27-2014, 05:06 PM   #15
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Hi reubenray,
Sorry, but I am with the members that post concerns about getting the largest discount on a pre-owned coach as one of the main objectives. If you think about it the math would be very difficult. Discount from what price? There are places that have high prices and discount a larger %. There are places that have market value pricing and discount little to nothing. Does the dealer own the coaches or are some on consignment? If you are going to finance any of the purchase that can affect the discount. It goes on and on.

Choose the coach that meets your needs and get the best deal possible. Then enjoy.
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Picking one over the other is the problem. We like the 2015 Winnebago Adventurer 37F, but the dealer has a nice used Phaeton for about the same price that we like also.
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Old 09-28-2014, 07:38 AM   #17
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New Gas vs Used Diesel Pusher Discount??

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Picking one over the other is the problem. We like the 2015 Winnebago Adventurer 37F, but the dealer has a nice used Phaeton for about the same price that we like also.

Well, if you like both floor plans equally, then here is IMHO the tipping point.

The used Phaeton DP will give you much more value for the same money......

The 2015 new Winabago will be worth approx $18,000 less the minute you drive
It off the dealer lot....regardless of how good a deal you cut. The used Phaeton
price (should) have that depreciation factored in.

If you cut a really good deal on the Phaeton, and sell it a year or two from now,
chances are you will get more of your money back, than if you get the new
Winabago and sell it at the same time.

The Phaeton offers More power, more comfort, more bells and whistles. You don't say what year is the Phaeton.....so chances are no official factory warranty.....however Tiffin takes good care of its customers. Any problems your dealer won't fix for free after the sale go to Tiffin Factory, and they probably help you out.

Lookup the low retail NADA value of the Phaeton and start your negotiations under that number.
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Hi reubenray,
Sorry, but I am with the members that post concerns about getting the largest discount on a pre-owned coach as one of the main objectives. If you think about it the math would be very difficult. Discount from what price? There are places that have high prices and discount a larger %. There are places that have market value pricing and discount little to nothing. Does the dealer own the coaches or are some on consignment? If you are going to finance any of the purchase that can affect the discount. It goes on and on.

Choose the coach that meets your needs and get the best deal possible. Then enjoy.
You have to do your home work first. If you walk into a dealer ready to buy and don't know what the RV should sell for without looking at their sales sheet you are the salesmen dream customer. Plus there is a surcharge on an RV if you tell the salesman he has the RV you were looking for.
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I am looking at two gas models plus several used diesel pushers at the same dealer. They all have posted prices which is between $180,000 and $190,000.

Which one would I get a bigger discount on? I understand I should get at least 25% off of the new models.

Please do not let this get into a "gas vs diesel" discussion as I only want the $$ info.
To answer your question from our research as we are shopping also.

25%- 35% off factory MSRP. (@$180k-$190k)
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Read post #8 again, that says in part,

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There is no target discount percentage for a used RV, because there is no fixed price (MSRP) to start from. The dealer can price it any way he likes, ....

You are approaching the search/decision from a purely numbers viewpoint, when in fact, it's more like a game of poker. More at play than just the cards.
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...and some dealers will do higher than 25% on a new one. Shop around.
Just an observation ... When buying new, if you can wait until a major RV show, get pricing before the show from dealers. Then, go to a show, e.g. Hershey. Then, early afternoon on the last day of the show, see if the dealer at the show will make you a better deal.

On purpose, at this year RV show at Hershey, I sat inside a new motorhome the last day of the show. It was an amazing thing to see how aggressive the discounting got from some salesmen for other potential buyers. I saw someone walk off with just over 30% off MSRP for a London Aire.

So, yes, do your research and know what you can get away with. It is your money you're spending!
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I do plan on checking prices prior to my trip to the Tampa RV show. But I will not be able to be there on the last day. We will be there for the first two days only.
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I do plan on checking prices prior to my trip to the Tampa RV show. But I will not be able to be there on the last day. We will be there for the first two days only.

If you are serious about that Phaeton, don't expect it to still be for sale months from now, if it's in as good condition as you say......some deals don't wait.
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If you are serious about that Phaeton, don't expect it to still be for sale months from now, if it's in as good condition as you say......some deals don't wait.
There are tons of great deals out there....don't be in a rush. Take in account the thrashing you will take on your gasser before trading it in.
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That I am very aware of. I thought I found a great deal several times to find out it has been gone because the ads was not up to date.
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That I am very aware of. I thought I found a great deal several times to find out it has been gone because the ads was not up to date.
Well, you're a lot better prepared than most people if you're doing price comparisons well in advance of pulling the trigger, so that's a good thing.

We got our MH from Florida Liquidators in Pensacola. They didn't budge a dime on the price. Didn't have to; their stuff is priced to sell. The one we got had 2000 love bugs (that's 1000 pair!) still on it, because it had just pulled into the lot. That one sold in 15 minutes.

If you can use a set of eyes over this way, just PM me.
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One other opinion, and as it's your money - feel free to ignore it!

Don't confuse getting the lowest price sale, as being the 'Best Deal'. If a good, clean well cared for coach, with DOCUMENTATION/DOCUMENTATION/DOCUMENTATION of care ends up being a higher purchase price - it will most often provide you a 'Better Deal' then a lower cost unit that may not have been as cared for as possible.

Choose the coaches that meet your wants, and are ball parked within your price range. Look for these doing your due diligence on looking these over, reviewing documentation, and getting proper independent inspections (chassis/house/oil analysis, etc.). Research the price points on the specific coach you have drilled down to - then sit down to negotiate.

A private owner would be our best source, and would allow a lower possible sales price as their is no additional overhead involved to cover a dealer's/salesman's profit - those can add thousands of dollars the paid price. If you don't find one from a private owner, IMO, the Consigned Coaches would be your next best avenue for negotiating. (Both the sales place and owner can provide discounts from the asking price/starting point.)

But if you find the model and coach that works for you, and it is in bristol condition with great documentation - it can be a real bargain even at a price several thousand above where you may have desired.

All again, just my opinion - and I practice what I preach, as I paid what I considered a 'fair price' for my coach, not a 'killer price'!

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Cost of Yearly Maintenance of DP

One thing that keeps popping in my mind is the yearly cost of maintenance for a diesel pusher. I can do my own maintenance on a gas rig.

What would an estimate of this be if I traveled about 7,500 miles a year?
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