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Old 01-10-2013, 07:49 AM   #1
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My 2010 Fleetwood Bounder 33U came with a surge protector hard-wired into the electrical system. Is there any reason I should add redundancy to the system with an external surge protector. Or am I just throwing good money after bad.
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My 2010 Fleetwood Bounder 33U came with a surge protector hard-wired into the electrical system. Is there any reason I should add redundancy to the system with an external surge protector. Or am I just throwing good money after bad.
NOPE. Keep your $$$ for other RV toys.

There are some theories that 2 surge protectors can work against each other. I've read a lot of blogs on that issue and to be honest, I am not so sure that is the case but 1 good SP is all you should need.

What model does your MH have?
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Save your money one surge protector is all you need
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Unfortunately, surges aren't the only thing you will be dealing with while you are on the road. I recommend that you get an EMS system that will protect you from over and under voltages, mis-wired pedestals, poor grounds, etc. They will also add an extra layer of surge protection. Progressive is one of several brands that you can get and it is available in either a portable or permanent mount (highly recommended) system.
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I am sure you have a surge protector, but on one forum I read, the poster thought he had a surge protector when in fact it was an energy managment system. The one time we realy needed one was before we bought one. We were in a new park in Kentucky when we plugged in for the night something was wrong on the post and a 'bang' let us know there was a boo boo in progress. We were able to get it repaired at a Winnebago dealer a sometime months later at almost $900. The mobile tech that worked on it while we were on the road got part of it repaired but it was after we were back in Georgia before we were whole again.
Progressive Industries 50amp mobile has relieve my worries of another fiasco like that one!
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I think there are a couple clarifications for this thread.

EMS - When I see this I tend to think in terms of load meters like Intellitec which control coach loads based on appliances in use and power available. These are devices designed to shed loads in a systematic manner to avoid system overloads due to too much demand by the user. These are NOT surge protectors but load protectors.

Surge protectors are sometimes lumped together however, when I hear "hard wired" I think in terms of Progressive Industries and Surge Guard devices that have over/under voltage, improper ground and other advanced protections beyond simply stopping spikes in power.

There are also portable surge protectors that do a lot of the same as their hard wired cousins but with slightly lower surge protection. Use of portable devices are often a preference but in some cases they might not work. In a couple CGs I have been in, any exposure of pig tails to weather was a code violation.

Then there are lighter weight surge protection devices that are much less capable of anything but ground fault and light surge protection.
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There is a great threads on this somewhere but for the life of me I can find the ones I'm thinking of. Too much multitasking right now.

There can be some further clarification as well. Surge protector before or after transfer switch. Stand alone surge protector or part of another system - EMS or otherwise. If you have one as part of another system you have one but if that system gets zapped it is a higher $ item than hardwiring or having a stand alone in front of it. Just going from memory but its not a bad idea for the belt and suspenders. Especially if the front saves the back. In one of the treads I'm thinking of Cliff and / or someone else provided pictures of theirs and some reasons behind it. Not knowing what the OP has exactly can't say what they have or where - but say you had the option of replacing something added for $300 - instead of $1,000 - if the one is lost and the other saved even once - you're $'s ahead. YMMV.
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I installed a hard wired surge protector 4 years ago. Has worked great. Just found out late last year it has to have 30 or 50 AMP. Will not work on any less AMP power. Never thought about it before now. Have not had a problem yet but wonder what I'll do if I don't have at least 30 AMP. So far every park has had at least 30 AMP.
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My Winnebago was installed to have the surge protector after the ATS to cover both shore and generator power issues. My Dutch Star has a hard wired Surge Guard but I don't know yet if it is before or after the ATS.

My preference now after some learning is to have it before the ATS and only protect the shore power. I have been convinced buy some smart folks that the generator is really well controlled and the chances of it causing problems is very small. Placing the SP before the ATS allows the SP to get toasted first instead of the ATS.

Now...another smart person shared a way to install the SP and be able to get it out of the way easily if needed. Here is what they suggested:

1. Install a female 50 or 30 amp plug before the ATS.
2. wire the appropriate male plug to the output of the SP and a female to the input.
3. Wire a male plug to the coach end of the power cord.
4. Connect SP to coach, and power cord to SP.

Now...here is the neat part of the trick. If the SP burns up or otherwise malfunctions you can now unplug the SP from the ATS, the power cable from the SP and directly plug the shore power cable directly to the plug feeding the ATS if need be. (Of course, you need to make sure you aren't plugging in a known problem outlet.)

An additional option would be to also carry a portable SP as a backup. The power cable would be connected directly to the ATS, plugged into the portable SP which is then connected to the power post. That might be a minor problem because the pigtails would be exposed to the weather and in a couple CGs I have been in, it was a code violation but in an "emergency" it would get you up and running. Of course, you could reverse the male/female plug setup I outlined and then keep the portable SP in the power bay then.

If I have a need to replace the SP coming with my DSDP, I would look seriously into doing it that way.
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Hey Don - sounds like you found one of the threads I read and the one in particular had a picture of the setup you described. I think that's the way I may go. Considering the relatively low cost of a fried SP between the post and everything else it seems like pretty cheap insurance. I am also with you on the pure sine of the generator.

I bet you and Sandee are beside yourselves. Can't wait to see more pictures. Take care care out there.
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Hey Don - sounds like you found one of the threads I read and the one in particular had a picture of the setup you described.

I bet you and Sandee are beside yourselves. Can't wait to see more pictures. Take care care out there.
Was this part of that thread?

Surge Protector

Yep...we are heading out 5 am to get it.
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Was this part of that thread?

Surge Protector

Yep...we are heading out 5 am to get it.
That's one of them. You got me looking and I found the one I was thinking of
Surge Protector??

I sent ya a pm too.
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I don't know what you have built into your MH, but I'm betting it's just a basic surge protector which, as others have pointed out, does not protect you from all the other things that can happen such as low or high voltage, loose common or ground, etc.
I would recommend the Progressive Industries HW-50C with the remote indicator. At about $350 you will have total protection with no danger of someone stealing it off the post! We had one on our 5er that we pulled for 10 years, and that was the first thing I put on the Class A after buying it!
Good luck, happy trails, and God bless!
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