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Old 12-29-2011, 09:25 AM   #1
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New vs Used and fulltiming it

As the DW, I am seriously so tired of researching I really just want to get into a coach already! We have researched till we/I am dizzy; gas over diesel floorplans etc. We basically have an idea of what we want although still waiver on gas or DP. DH drives a Dodge Cummings now and really is a diesel man and I prefer them due to the nicer floorplans and ability to have details that I like because of the heavier coach etc.
We now have a 2011 Big Country that we like but both want to upgrade to a Class A due to ease of traveling with dogs, going to the bathroom, taking a nap, fixing and eating lunch etc while traveling as well as it would be so much nicer to live in-much more open.
We will be spending about 5 months parked on our land and the rest of the year will be in parts warmer.
We have purchased, remodeled rented and lived in quite a few stick homes and we always ALWAYS saw eye to eye on most everything even amount of money used to purchase the house. This is totally different for DH and I am thinking because even though it will be our home he sees it as throwing money down a black hole. A stick built is (HA was) a money making investment a vehicle/MH is so not...I get that I KNOW that but it will be our home dang it.
So, DH (I swear I am gonna drop the D soon......) seems to think a coach that is 3,4 my goodness is he thinking 5, years old is a good idea because the depreciation is taken off, all of the bugs are worked out and you know you are not getting a lemon. Me, I am looking not only at the good floorplan but really truly want what the newer coaches have-side by side fridge with ice maker, as little carpet as possible, curtains that do not look like my grandma's (stole that from another post), a pull out extend a counter thingy...details such as this that I really do not want to live without. We do not have a boat load of cash to spend and would really like to keep it under say 170,000 and of course way less if possible as well.
I just don't 'buy' that an older model (not a hundred years old but maybe up to 5) has all of the bugs worked out etc...nope don't buy it. Oh and we would like to have this lifestyle for at lease 10 years. I am 55 and DH is 62.
So folks new vs used? New could be say a 2010 or 11 for me, DH is so willing to go much lower I fear because of the lower price and I am saying closer to 100,00 or less. Don't get me wrong I would love to get something around 100,00 as well but I so don't want to give up a home that I can live in. Thoughts and sorry about the rambling...is it obvious that I am frustrated and tired of researching

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Old 12-29-2011, 09:37 AM   #2
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Well from our experience, we had no intention of buying new when we went fulltiming 2yrs. ago. I found a 2000 Newmar Dutchstar diesel that had everything we wanted. 2 slides, new Michelins with new aluminum wheels, new Onan, 480 watts of solar with a 2800 pure sine wave inverter and 3 huge AGM batteries. 2 new flat screen tv's...AND a new custom paint job with new awnings all the way around. I paid considerably less than a hundred grand. If you do true diligence there are plenty of great buys out there.

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Old 12-29-2011, 10:09 AM   #3
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We just bought a 1999 American Eagle for well under $100,000. We are the third owner. The stove and the washer/dryer had never been used. The carpet was upgraded to hardwood floor, it had new tires and batteries, upgraded inverter, looked spotless inside and out. I spend a week tweaking cabinet doors, oiling hinges, and minor adjustments. We have put almost 5,000 miles on in two months and not one problem. I suggest you find a floor plan you like, a color you like, and narrow your search to only 2 or 3 make/model/type. Then put all your energy into finding it. They are out there, but narrowing the search is the first part of the plan.
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Old 12-29-2011, 10:17 AM   #4
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Welcome to the forum! We bought a brand new DP to go full time. Now I wish we had bought used.

Good luck

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Old 12-29-2011, 10:23 AM   #5
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We have never bought a new RV as the first one that buys a new unit is the one that eats the biggest depreciation. Same way on our other vehicles. You can get a lot bigger, better and etc coach if you purchase used. However you need to do your homework on any used coach and add to the purchase price things like new tires, batteries and other maintance items.

If your DH is handy with tools then he can always change out carpet for tile and etc. The coach we are in now was a bank repo and required quite a bit of work to get it the way we wanted it but we are still thousands of dollars cheaper than if we had of bought it already fixed up.
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Old 12-29-2011, 10:32 AM   #6
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We just bought a 2000 40 ft Holiday Rambler with 40,000 miles one owner. Double door fridge 60% clay tile floors, coriander countertops, 2 slides.
Drove it back 2,100 miles and only thing wrong, the door rattled slightly depending upon speed and road conditions. I am sure I can fix that.
Less than $50k paid for it. Looks and runs great! I have no problem thinking I will have this and live in it for the next 10 years.
There will be lots of naysayers, but finding a new DP OF QUALITY , will be difficult for $170k. DH IS RIGHT.
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Old 12-29-2011, 10:44 AM   #7
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Many great deals on used, but also many used that need work!!!

The biggest advantage of buying new is to be able to build it the way you want it(Newmar will do this with minmal extra charges for changes), espcecially if you plan on having it for awhile.

Would definitely buy used if we did not know what we wanted.
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Old 12-29-2011, 11:12 AM   #8
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A $300,000 DP in 1995 can be bought for $35,000 today if it is in excellent condition.

It will likely have only @ 70,000 miles which for the drive train is initial break-in.

The interior furnishings can be remodeled. Even the refrigerator can be changed if there is room.

The old rigs were about 40'. The new rigs for $170,000 will be about 40'.

The number of slideouts is a personal choice but at least two or three would be useful.

So, find a floor plan in a used rig of good condition that will meet your needs.

Plan for the remodeling to your colors and preferences.

Enjoy the savings by buying something for a lot less than $170,000 (maybe $90,000) that ends up being your personalized rig.

Spend part of the $80,000 savings on the remodel.
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you said:"We have purchased, remodeled rented and lived in quite a few stick homes"

If you still have the ablity, Strength, health and find joy in fixing things, why by new?
New is for people who can't or don't want to be bothered with fixing stuff and are
willing to pay the STEALERSHIPS for that... There can be stuff that is not covered under warrenty and the company could go bankrupt.... Be patience with DH and enjoy the fun of customizing your rv and seeing what others have done to theirs..
In this economy there are unbelievable bargins out there... If any doubt, Have it Inspected...
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Old 12-29-2011, 11:23 AM   #10
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My 2010 Entegra had 5000 miles on it, 140 hours on the generator, and I cant tell that it had ever been used. It had the floor plan I wanted and I got it for half price. It would have cost me about over $50,000 more to have a new one, and no different than the one I bought other than I like the interior colors of the 2010 more than the 2012. The best thing to do is go shopping for a new one, and pick out the make and model you want. Then hit the internet and find the best deal. I knew that I wanted an Entegra, with the 40SKT floor plan, so that is what I went searching for. If you dont know what you want, you will never find it (new or used)
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A few weeks ago when the powerball was really high, for a joke I went looking at brand new MHs, went to all kinds of websites, Newmar, on down, thinking if I hit the lottery, what would I buy. You know what? I didn't see one dang thing out there that I like better than my 1996 Newmar Mountain Aire. I love the layout of the 3760 that I have. In fact, when I bought this one, I didn't want one so big, yep thought I'd never be able to drive something that was 38 feet long, the old MH I have is a 24 footer and that was a bear to drive. Never even heard of a Newmar before. But I kept going back to look and look, came here to get info and advice, kept going back. Yep, I now have it and it drives like a dream, that tag on it is wonderful, can sit back and drive with one hand.

So to answer your question, It's the one that you fall in love with, that has what you want, be it old or new. For me it was a 1996er. Good Luck.
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Old 12-29-2011, 12:35 PM   #12
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Our coach, which we purchased used in 2005, is a 2002 model. We have a side-by-side refrigerator with ice maker, washer/dryer, microwave/convection oven, etc. Buying used for high end DPs is the only way to go; let someone else take the depreciation hit and spend that first year being the quality-control inspectors for the factory.

We've replaced the day/night shades with blinds. Done other small things, but essentially she is pretty much the same as when we got her. Does she have the latest and greatest electronic thingamajig? No, but then so many of those electronic gadgets end up making everyone's life miserable, that we don't care. And high-end used coaches were usually purchased by people who aren't teenagers, who don't tear them apart. There are some great deals out there. Look at some later model Foretravels - - great coaches. And don't be afraid of orphan coaches - some great deals out there.

Also, don't get so bogged down that you forget to enjoy life.

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I'm probably the guy from whom the "grandme's curtains" quote came....

When the time came to upgrade (and yes it is an UPGRADE, at any price point) from a gasser to a dp, I was willing to buy older, save money, and do what upgrades were wanted or needed. Heck, I'm "handy" wuts the problem?

My dw had a big problem spending "that kinda money" on something that would need big changes / upgrades b4 we could even use it.

We got way lucky when we bought our 3 yo monaco knight from lazydays last spring. The bus is perfect (knock on wood) I'm having to search to find the projects I need to keep my sanity.

So MHO... used is good, but new enough is good too. 3-4 years old, more than 15k miles...

Odd r, that. 2 years old, 5000 mile creampuff is really someoone elses former lemon.
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So, DH (I swear I am gonna drop the D soon......) seems to think a coach that is 3,4 my goodness is he thinking 5, years old is a good idea because the depreciation is taken off, all of the bugs are worked out and you know you are not getting a lemon.
I just don't 'buy' that an older model (not a hundred years old but maybe up to 5) has all of the bugs worked out etc...nope don't buy it. Oh and we would like to have this lifestyle for at lease 10 years. I am 55 and DH is 62.
So folks new vs used?
"D" can also stand for doggone, or darn, or dumb...... you get the picture.

I have very little experience, but I can vouch for the "Used is better" group. Seriously, you lose more than 10,000$ just by driving the thing off the dealer's lot, and there truly ARE LOTS of bugs to work out. Factory Quality Control only checks that everything APPEARS to be working and LOOKS okay. Factory test driving consists of a few miles to check that the onboard systems APPEAR to be working right and nothing is falling off.

There is also the fact that a good 90 percent of the RV comes from many different manufacturers and who knows what QC is like in those factories?

There is NO coach out there that is perfect from the factory. There are just too many variables. Additionally, there is the possibility that you can get the darn thing PAID OFF before you are forced to give up the lifestyle due to age.

Don't be so hard on DH..... in this instance, he's right. Customizing a used motorhome is not a big deal, and a lot of dealers will work with you to make you happy.

If you're near Arizona or Florida, I HIGHLY recommend Lazydays RV Sales and Service. Whatever you do, make sure you get it checked out by an independent RV service person whether it's new or used. For 2 to 300 bucks, it's an excellent investment and will save you a lot of heartaches later.


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