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Old 08-18-2013, 10:40 AM   #15
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While the side radiator would be very nice to have, it is not a show stopper for us. It sure would make servicing the engine a lot nicer, but I have learner to work in tight places. There are other things that are more important.
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Old 08-18-2013, 12:11 PM   #16
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we've had one Roadmaster chassis ('06 rr8r) and two Spartan Chassis. Given that it is a Motor Home, the motoring part is much better on a Spartan Chassis while the home part is pretty competitive and attractive across the spectrum? I've got about 60k miles of driving Spartan now, and, unless some new development comes along, my next purchase will be spartan dependant.
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Old 08-19-2013, 07:23 AM   #17
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The Monaco products in 2001/2001 did not build their own chassis at least in the models I look at.
I don't know how you found that monaco/HR didn't build their own custom chassis. In '01/'02, monaco OWNED roadmaster, and the RR8R chassis used in the endeavor/diplomat/safari-sister-model/beaver-sister-model was built specifically for that RV by one division of monaco for another.
Sorry tquarles - I did not realize Monaco owned Rdmstr in 01'/02'. I did speak w/ with the factory and understood Rdmstr chassis was built to order in one building then driven to another for the coach build.

Artwerke - do you not like the rear radiator due to lack of motor access or cooling issue(s)?
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Is Sparton the only chassis with independent front suspension and does this feature determine the superior ride? I have a HR Neptune with a four bag solid axle chassis. Lousy ride even after "ride enhancement " kit and new trailing arms.
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Is Sparton the only chassis with independent front suspension and does this feature determine the superior ride? I have a HR Neptune with a four bag solid axle chassis. Lousy ride even after "ride enhancement " kit and new trailing arms.
The 4 bag Roadmaster chassis was used as a step up from the non air ride chassis as an entry level air bag chassis. It turned out to be a bad idea. The addition of the up graded trailing arms made it safe but it has ride quality limitations. You should call Source and talk to one of the knowledgeable guys there. There could be a problem with how your chassis is set up.
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The 4 bag Roadmaster chassis was used as a step up from the non air ride chassis as an entry level air bag chassis. It turned out to be a bad idea. The addition of the up graded trailing arms made it safe but it has ride quality limitations. You should call Source and talk to one of the knowledgeable guys there. There could be a problem with how your chassis is set up.
I think I'm trying to make a silk purse out of sow's ear. I will try Source again. The chassis obviously has it's limitations.
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Edaa, Engine access, I've had to replace alternators & belts on every coach I've owned. When I saw the access on the side radiator Dutch Star I was amazed there were my two roadside nemesis right in front of my eyes. Brought it home & changed the oil & all the filters, sure are a lot of them on a DP & Allison. Replaced the 2 belts while I was at it ,took a whole extra 20 min.& now I have emergency spares in the tool basement. Cooling hasn't been a problem & I haven't heard anyone talk about problems cleaning a side radiator.
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I'm not sure if the HR & Monaco have rear radiators or not, But I wouldn't have a DP without a side radiator. I haven't driven the Dutch Star enough to complain about solid axels,only about 5000 mi. this yr.The ride is so much better than my old Southwind.
On the older DS's the FL chassis came with a beam axle, the optional Spartan chassis had IFS and it does make for a smoother ride.
I think all the DSDP's have IFS now along with Comfort Drive and they use FL chassis.
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Edaa, Engine access, I've had to replace alternators & belts on every coach I've owned. When I saw the access on the side radiator Dutch Star I was amazed there were my two roadside nemesis right in front of my eyes. Brought it home & changed the oil & all the filters, sure are a lot of them on a DP & Allison. Replaced the 2 belts while I was at it ,took a whole extra 20 min.& now I have emergency spares in the tool basement. Cooling hasn't been a problem & I haven't heard anyone talk about problems cleaning a side radiator.
Artwerke - as a mechanic and engineer I have a difficult decision to make. The 3rd slide was not offered by Newmar DS in 2001/2002. I prefer the DSDP in quality and ride (with Sparten chassis). Side radiator also allows a quick visual engine ck - leaks, belts, etc while on the road. Maybe the 2 slide Dutch Star DP w/ Sparten chassis and the fuel injected turbo 330 ISC Cummins is the real answer and forgo the additional room offered by 3rd slide. Ed
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