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Old 05-11-2012, 09:21 AM   #1
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Newmar Spartan or Freightliner

I am looking at a couple of early 2000 Newmar 38 ft. dp's. One has a Spartan chassis and two have a Freightliner. I did a forum search and read all I could find on S v F and it seems that each type has fans and I couldn't discern a definitive answer about which is better. In looking at a brochure for a 2000 Newmar Dutch Star, it lists the GCWR at 32,400 for the Freightliner and 37,400 for the Spartan which is 5000 pounds difference, which is a lot. I don't see any other major differences in the specs. Is there anything else I need to know about the differences between the two chassis?
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Old 05-11-2012, 09:26 PM   #2
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I always consider where in the USA I can have what I own, serviced or need parts. Both are good or they wouldnt have been in business for this long. It will depend on your wants and desires.
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Old 05-11-2012, 09:33 PM   #3
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The Spartan will have a Cummins 315/950 ISC and IFS
The FL will have a CAT 3126 300/850 and straight axle.
We had a 2000 3865 on FL. Finally traded it in for a 2002 with 350/1050 and IFS
What size tires are on it? Newmar had a recall on the front tires from 255 to 275's as I remember.
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I have had both. The big difference I have noticed is the service. Spartan to me has outstanding service. Can call their service desk and they are their to help and will email you anything you need or stay on the phone and work with you as your troubleshoot with their help. Did not experience this with FL.

Also, the service centers I have been to were quite different. At Freightliner even the Oasis dealer which supposedly is certified for motorhomes, the facility was not nearly as motorhome friendly as the Spartan shops I have been to. I know these are independent, but certainly get direction from FL and Spartan. I understand that FL is trying to improve their dealer service so it might be better now.

After having each and experiencing service from each, I would favor Spartan over FL in a future purchase.
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When we were deciding on which chassis to order I drove both, the Spartan rode slightly better. I can't answer your question about the GCWR unless they figure the weight ratings differently.
BTW, I was wrong about the HP, both had 300 hp but the Spartan has a Cummins that's bigger and does have more torque.
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How much of that 'extra' 5,000 lb gross combined weight is CCC (cargo carry capacity) and how much is attributed to perhaps a heavier chassis? You'll see many threads complaining of the lack of CCC. A few thousand pounds extra is a very valuable thing.

It could simply be extra towing capacity (given the additional horse power and torque), which could be important depending on what you intend to use as a toad. The typical tow rating for that size rig, I'd guess, is 10,000 with some up to 15,000 (and a few as low as 5,000, although most in that range are gas powered).

That extra power could be a good thing, especially traveling through mountains.
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I am looking at a couple of early 2000 Newmar 38 ft. dp's. One has a Spartan chassis and two have a Freightliner. I did a forum search and read all I could find on S v F and it seems that each type has fans and I couldn't discern a definitive answer about which is better. In looking at a brochure for a 2000 Newmar Dutch Star, it lists the GCWR at 32,400 for the Freightliner and 37,400 for the Spartan which is 5000 pounds difference, which is a lot. I don't see any other major differences in the specs. Is there anything else I need to know about the differences between the two chassis?
Are those figures correct? I realize that's 12 years ago, buy my GVWR alone is 34,600 and GCWR nearly 50k.
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Looking at the specs for the 98 MA (which might be fairly similar to this one), there is indeed a 5k lbs in GCWR and the 3126 vs ISC engine diff but as far as CCC, they're within 100 or 200 lbs so it's pretty negligeable between the Freightliner and the Spartan.
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Are those figures correct? I realize that's 12 years ago, buy my GVWR alone is 34,600 and GCWR nearly 50k.
The figures are right - your coach with a tag axle and ISL isn't in the same class as these (I wouldn't be surprised if your coach empty is 4000 or 5000 lbs more then the ones listed above).
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For those who are interested, here is the link to the brochure I refer to. Go to "specifications" for the figures. http://www.newmarcorp.com/uploads/br...20Brochure.pdf
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How much of that 'extra' 5,000 lb gross combined weight is CCC (cargo carry capacity) and how much is attributed to perhaps a heavier chassis? You'll see many threads complaining of the lack of CCC. A few thousand pounds extra is a very valuable thing.
The Spartan Mountain Master typically has a 5000 lb greater tow rating (GCWR) than an equivalent Freightliner, but that contributes nothing to CCC or GVW - it's just 15,000 lb towing vs 10, 000 on the FL.
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The Spartan will have a Cummins 315/950 ISC and IFS
The FL will have a CAT 3126 300/850 and straight axle.
I don't know how you can say that without knowing the specific year and model coaches he is looking at. Newmars on Freightliner chassis in the 2000-2003 time frame can have Cummins ISB or ISL engines, or Cat 3126E's. Mountain Aires got the ISL, for example, while the Dutch Star got a 3126E. The front axle may be a Meritor straight I-beam (Kountry Star) or Neway IFS (Dutch Star and Mountain Aire).

There is no inherent difference between Spartan and Freightliner, but FL gives the coach builder many more configuration options, so the chassis can be configured for a lower price than the Spartan IF the builder chooses to do so. Newmar chooses the better components for the Dutch Stars and Mountainaires, so few differences between Spartan and FL in those models. Kountry Stars got the less expensive straight axle, rear radiator, etc. in keeping with the lower price.
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The figures are right - your coach with a tag axle and ISL isn't in the same class as these (I wouldn't be surprised if your coach empty is 4000 or 5000 lbs more then the ones listed above).
Interesting, although I don't have a tag.
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Our 2000 DSDP on FL chassis had a 5,000# tow rating. (as I remember and it has been a few years so I could be wrong)
Our present 2002 DSDP on Spartan has a 6,000# hitch rating although Spartan says I can put the 10,000# hitch on it and have no problems. Since our towed is 4,400#'s and the dolly is another 600#'s I haven't bothered.
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