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Old 07-04-2012, 03:18 PM   #1
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No water in Commode & Auto Awning Questions

I have a 2007 Fleetwood Southwind. I bought it last December and we love it! However, we have 2 problems. 1) The comode will not hold water. We have cleaned the seal and surroundings and it feels like the seal is seated. Any suggestions. 2) I have an auto awning. However, I noticed that once extended it did not look like it was at a downward angle enough. During a recent rainstorm my observation was confirmed for the awning started to collect a water sag. Thankfully I noticed it right away and used a broom to push the collected water off then roll the awning back up. Is there a way to adjust the awning to go down at more of an angle?
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Old 07-04-2012, 03:28 PM   #2
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Sounds like your commode probably needs a new seal. Not sure about your awning, post the brand and model #. Hopefully someone will come along with some help.
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One trick for the commode is just before going to bed, turn off the water, flush and hold to drain most of the water out, close it, then pour some ATF in there. Leave it overnight, it usually stays in there. If it drains away you just don't have enough seal. It MAY expand your seal enough to get a few more years out of it. Worked for me several times after those occasions when I'd let the RV sit unoccupied for a few months.

As far as the awning goes, I thought those automatic units had a manual slope adjustment? But like was mentioned, need the brand and model number to find out.
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We were told by manufacturer never to use a petroleum product on toilet seals. They said silicone grease only. We have used it successfully and the seal I bought four years ago is still in the storage compartment.

Most auto awnings have one end spring loaded. When water accumulates, the end (towards rear of unit) lowers and water drains. When water drains and weight is off the awning, the spring raises the awning back up.
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Old 07-04-2012, 05:12 PM   #5
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Vinegar in the toilet has worked for me as a temp fix. You have to add a little a few times until it quits getting past the seal. However, it's time for a new seal and it's no big job.
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Old 07-04-2012, 07:08 PM   #6
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Vinegar in the toilet has worked for me as a temp fix. You have to add a little a few times until it quits getting past the seal. However, it's time for a new seal and it's no big job.
Do you add straight vinegar or do you dilute it? What does the vinegar do (ie. expand the rubber in the seal?)
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What awning do you have? Most brands and models have some adjustment for angle, but it has to clear the slide if you have one on that side.
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Old 07-04-2012, 07:37 PM   #8
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Yes, straight vinegar. I've only done this a few times to get me by. I assume the vinegar eats calcium/lime buildup on the seal and ball, which gives a better seal between the two. There of course are other reasons the ball/seal can lose the water seal.
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Old 07-04-2012, 09:08 PM   #9
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Vinegar(white) will take off the calcium build up. When you let RV sit for awhile put some baby oil in the bowl and that will keep the seal in good shape and it will not get hard or shrink. Baby oil will do no harm to the plastic or seal.
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Vinegar(white) will take off the calcium build up. When you let RV sit for awhile put some baby oil in the bowl and that will keep the seal in good shape and it will not get hard or shrink. Baby oil will do no harm to the plastic or seal.
1-2 cups of rv antifreeze works well also. We use this when our unit is in winter storage as it doesn't freeze or evaporate.
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[QUOTE=Jim_HiTek;1232348]One trick for the commode is just before going to bed, turn off the water, flush and hold to drain most of the water out, close it, then pour some ATF in there. Leave it overnight, it usually stays in there. If it drains away you just don't have enough seal. It MAY expand your seal enough to get a few more years out of it.

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We were told by manufacturer never to use a petroleum product on toilet seals. They said silicone grease only. We have used it successfully and the seal I bought four years ago is still in the storage compartment.
Petroleum products will make the rubber seal expand, making a better seal.
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Thanks for all the good ideas, these will be helpful. My toilet has done the same thing a couple of times. I have always been able to just give it a cleaning and the thing sealed again. But this time no luck. It could be the gasket, but it is only a few years old. I will try the suggestions above, if no luck, I'll need to change the gasket then. But again, thanks for the helpful information given on this site.
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Still have the same seal in our toilet after 10 years. I do pour the toilet chemical into the water in the bowl. The chemical has coconut oil in it. Must be enough to keep it from being a problem.
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I just cleaned my bowl seal this past weekend using CLR spray. Let it stand for a few minutes then open the ball, take a brush and clean the underside of the seal, and in-between the seal and ball.

It solved my very slow water leak-down problem. I believe minerals from the water are building up on the bottom of the seal causing the leak-down.

If the awning is manual, you should be able to lower one side about 6-12 inches making sure that any rain water will roll off before collecting in the center.

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