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Old 06-11-2012, 06:54 AM   #29
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...Neither the Ford or Workhorse chassis was/is used in diesel models.
OOps! Must have been looking at the wrong model.

Tell me about Tiffin Phaeton 42LH Freightliner Chassis with Cummins ISL 400 HP/1250 Lb. Torque. They don't offer a Spartan in the Phaeton or the Allegro Bus. How does this model Freightliner measure up to a Spartan?



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Old 06-11-2012, 08:28 AM   #30
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Also, went back to HR and the one I was looking at was the Ambassador, built on a "custom" Roadmaster RR8R chassis with a Maxxforce 10 I-6 diesel engine with 1,150 lbs./ft. of torque pulling GCWR 46k. This is a 40PDQ and does not have a tag axle, and I can't see anything about IFS. Any input on this unit?

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Actually went back to HR and a more fair comparison would probably be the Endeavor, same 40PDQ, same chassis as far as I can tell, same wt., MaxxForce® 10-405HP EPA 2010 Engine with Allison 3000 MH 6-Speed World Transmission and Electronic Shifter, 1250 lbs/ft. torque, 9.3L/570 cu. in.
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:24 AM   #31
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You can find all the details on any Freightliner chassis by finding the motorhome brand and model (current year or older) on the "Built On Freightliner" pages at Built On Freightliner

The Phaeton 42 is a tag axle chassis with a solid (I-beam) front axle.

Spartan has a similar but less comprehensive page listed under "Riding on Spartan" in the drop-down menu under Recreational Vehicles. Click the 'Recreational Vehicle' heading and select the motorhome brand you want to see.
http://www.spartanchassis.com/schome.asp

Not all Spartans have an IFS either - some configurations use a Meritor I-beam. As I said, you can't make any conclusions based solely on chassis brand.
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None of the Road master chassis have an IFS. The RR8 and RR10 models use a different type of suspension that involves a floating subframewith a solid axle. It's not an IFS, but it has some of the characteristic of one. The RR4 and RSR models are a simple solid axle.

I won't try to convince you that the floating subframe is better or worse than an IFS - read about it and decide for yourself.
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JMHO, but I believe you are over thinking this, Kathryn. If you get a high quality coach, it will have the appropriate engine/transmission and a good high quality chassis. You'll find the lower end MHs (read cheaper) will have smaller engines, some with marginal power, and less expensive and not as nice chassis.
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JMHO, but I believe you are over thinking this, Kathryn. If you get a high quality coach, it will have the appropriate engine/transmission and a good high quality chassis. You'll find the lower end MHs (read cheaper) will have smaller engines, some with marginal power, and less expensive and not as nice chassis.


Bingo. You can beat this to death, but I think choosing a coach based on chassis is a bit much... We've owned diesel pusher coaches on both Spartan & Freightliner chassis. (As well as the venerable P30...) In my experience, it really doesn't make any significant difference. Both are excellent and I venture no one has empirical data to argue with that. Things like claiming that a Spartan chassis is better because it has a steel overflow tank that will never crack and leak? Come on, a statement like that simply isn't true. (I know, we own a company that manufactures steel & aluminum tanks...)

If real data is not going to be used in analysis, fine. I guess I would claim that the Spartan chassis under our 2001 Forest River coach was inferior, and that the Freightliner chassis under our Journey is superior. Our Spartan based coach rode and handled far worse. Accordingly, Spartan makes an inferior chassis to Freightliner. Right? Wrong...

The point is, motorhomes are a combination of many different factors, only one of which is the chassis. To base a purchase on chassis, or heaven forbid engine, is too simplistic. Got to look at the whole package as an integrated unit. I would be far more concerned about the final manufacturer. How long have they been in business? What is their reputation for quality & customer service over the past 20 years? How about the past 40 years? Do they use good materials & smart design? That sort of thing.

If you're unsure about what to buy, I highly recommend buying a used coach first. Learn about what features are really important to you after actually living with it. Researching a purchase to death will most likely lead to disappointment, as no coach will meet perfection standards. Except maybe a new Prevost or Newell I guess...
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Bingo. You can beat this to death, but I think choosing a coach based on chassis is a bit much...
If you're unsure about what to buy, I highly recommend buying a used coach first. Learn about what features are really important to you after actually living with it. Researching a purchase to death will most likely lead to disappointment, as no coach will meet perfection standards. Except maybe a new Prevost or Newell I guess...
NOPE, I saw one of those on a "hook" just yesterday! Pretty sure its owner was at least "disappointed". BUT, I do agree with most of the rest of your excellent post.
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Well, you are buying a Motor Home; you're going to go motoring in it. The chassis, which is the primary determinant when it comes to a satisfying driving experience, is critical to your decision. Cruzer had the opportunity to drive two similar coaches on two different chassis styles on the same date; most of us don't get that kind of opportunity. However, we can drive coaches of similar value and layout in order to get a pretty good impression of likes / dislikes. I am on my second Spartan for the simple reason that I was really, really impressed with the way my Tiffin 42 tag mountain master performed for over three years of ownership and 35K miles. I went looking for another Spartan, but I made sure I drove some of the others as well. I didn't like the 42 Tour on the FL; it didn't drive like a Spartan. I loved the looks, layout, amenities, etc. but not the way it drove. Same thing with Monaco. You have to drive a few of them. You can find the ideal combination of motor and home if you look hard enough. When you're parked layout is everything but when you're out on those windy roads that go up and down??? Grab a Fleetwood or American Coach while you can still get one on a Spartan. By the way, there are some great deals on a couple of 2011 fleetwood Providence 42 tags around - great, great value if you ask me; check it out.
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I looked at Newmar service bulletins Spartan vs Freightliner and Spartan had 3 pages and freightliner had two tso's. on one page.
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I looked at Newmar service bulletins Spartan vs Freightliner and Spartan had 3 pages and freightliner had two tso's. on one page.
Spartan was paying attention???
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