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Old 04-29-2015, 01:03 PM   #29
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Tiffins are highly regarded coaches.. BUT I would stay away from any that have rear radiators...
This is one of those more subtle things that seems to be ignored by most first-time buyers. Maybe it's because almost all new MHs are being delivered with rear radiators. As you have noted, side radiator engines are inherently easier to gain access to for servicing. They also, in general, provide better cooling and their fans are often hydraulically driven so they are only running when needed. I wouldn't necessarily include a side radiator on a list of "must-have" items, but it sure is nice to have when you attempt to do almost any engine servicing.
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2002 Country Coach Magna 37' Triple Slide - RV & Motorhome Classifieds

Very unique in that it is a:

-37' Tag (Great stability for towing, higher CCC)
-C12 455 (Same as Doc's in his Beaver.)
(IMO, the 2002 era C12 and ISM, were both very mature and well sorted out power plants. Both provide 3 Stage Jake Compression Braking.)
-CC Magna's in 2002, were craftsmanship built coaches. Very well documented, and very easy to support today.)

If we were ready to downsize from 40', this coach would really be worth looking at. The interior would be looked at to confirm it would meet out livability needs, and see if we would also need any customization budget allowance to modify to our personal preferences. And that is important, as what we like, may not be what someone else likes. I feel if the coach is of high quality and provides a good foundation, that they warrant customization to fit the owners needs.

May not be what he OP is looking for, but it sure meets his size needs, CCC, towing capacity. And with the trailer behind him, he can carry a bit extra coach things in their, if the tag's usage of one of the basements is problematic for him in the 37' size. (Large pass thru bay, provides more storage then many coaches in this size!)

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Thanks Smitty that's a nice one, tag axle with lots of power and I know for a fact those C12s are bullet proof. One of my obstacles is my wife doesn't want carpet which I'm finding out many of the older motor homes have.
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We just bought a new 2014 Fleetwood excursion which has the 300 hp Cummins ISB. I'd say it's a similar coach to your Georgetown but in a DP. We like it a lot and got it new for about what you are looking to spend. It's probably the 3rd tier of DPs out there and possibly you're looking for a coach that MSRP'd in the $250k range when new.

We're weekend warriors and generally do trips less than 150 miles. But the unit seems nice for our needs and towed our Murano quite easily up into the hills of Tennessee while getting around 10 MPG.

So far we have about 3000 miles on it (on top of the 2500 it came with) and have few complaints. It does t handle as well as I expected a DP to handle, but I'm sure part of that was me not realizing how it should handle and part I still need to dial in the suspension.
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The Monaco Dynasty is a great coach, especially if u find 07-08 with the Yorkshire/Ralph Lauren Edition
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We are looking to upgrade into a pre owned diesel pusher and was wondering what others opinions are on the best out there. We are looking for something with a TV in the living area, a dinette and at least one recliner.

Tiffin would be my first choice but I've never had one and was looking for others opinions and experiences.
Surely you're not asking for the best out there, regardless of price, or are you?
Either way, here would be my choice for a perfect balance of quality vs price and I keep thinking that 2005 would be the cutoff, before they were cheapened somewhat by the last company owners, so more research might be in order...
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This is one of those more subtle things that seems to be ignored by most first-time buyers. Maybe it's because almost all new MHs are being delivered with rear radiators. As you have noted, side radiator engines are inherently easier to gain access to for servicing. They also, in general, provide better cooling and their fans are often hydraulically driven so they are only running when needed. I wouldn't necessarily include a side radiator on a list of "must-have" items, but it sure is nice to have when you attempt to do almost any engine servicing.
I think one would be wise to include it on their must have list, IMO. They usually come with other quality upgrades, as well and I wouldn't hesitate to drop back a couple of years on the same budget to get one.
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I think one would be wise to include it on their must have list, IMO. They usually come with other quality upgrades, as well and I wouldn't hesitate to drop back a couple of years on the same budget to get one.
You've touched on another issue that is often omitted from these discussions. There are quite a few older MH's, such as mine, with large bore engines and heavy-duty transmissions that are virtually unobtainable on newer coaches at virtually any price. Today the majority of "affordable" Class A's are being delivered with the Cummins ISB diesel, which is a decent engine, but its ~800 ft lbs of torque aren't in the same league as the 1550 I get from my CAT C-12. Engines such as the C-12 and the Cummins ISM are heavy duty powerplants which, when teamed with an Allison 4060 transmission, are rated for first major in-frame rebuild at >750,000 miles, a lot more than any RVer is going to use them for. Coaches with 12-15 liter engines are few and far between these days and are sure not affordable by many of us.

If you've never driven one of these "monsters" you may say "horsepower is all that matters" but if you have you'll know the effortlessness which coaches powered by them cruise down the highways or up the steepest hills you can put them on.
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Many tag axle coaches actually have a tighter turning radius than a non tag coach. Particularly if you can raise or unload the tag.


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Yep, our 45' turns tighter than our 40' non-tag Dutch Star but have to watch the tail swing.
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You've touched on another issue that is often omitted from these discussions. There are quite a few older MH's, such as mine, with large bore engines and heavy-duty transmissions that are virtually unobtainable on newer coaches at virtually any price. Today the majority of "affordable" Class A's are being delivered with the Cummins ISB diesel, which is a decent engine, but its ~800 ft lbs of torque aren't in the same league as the 1550 I get from my CAT C-12. Engines such as the C-12 and the Cummins ISM are heavy duty powerplants which, when teamed with an Allison 4060 transmission, are rated for first major in-frame rebuild at >750,000 miles, a lot more than any RVer is going to use them for. Coaches with 12-15 liter engines are few and far between these days and are sure not affordable by many of us.

If you've never driven one of these "monsters" you may say "horsepower is all that matters" but if you have you'll know the effortlessness which coaches powered by them cruise down the highways or up the steepest hills you can put them on.
From personal experience I'd stay away from the 2007 ISX series. 45,000 miles and two top end overhauls and three turbo's, and Cummins only fully covered the first top end and two of the turbo's.
I know of one other ISX 650 that the new owners spent $20,000 getting it running and then less than 25 miles from the Cummins shop it threw a rod and cost an ADD'L $44,000!
Cummins NW has had 4 of the ISX's in with the same problem, dropped valve in #6. 2 were Class 8 OTR trucks and two MH's.
Great engine and lots of power but if it blows up it doesn't help!
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I purchased a 2004 with a rear radiator and I would not hesitate to purchase a rear radiator coach again. I would also purchase a side radiator. I think other features in the coach are much more important. I have done as much work as I can myself and have been able to access what I need to without much issue.
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The best coach is the one that suits you with cost, floor plan and colors.

Everything else after that is a crap shoot. All manufacturers have issues and you just have to hope that you get one that does not have a lot of problems. Other than that be prepared to do constant maintenance to keep your beauty in top condition.
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We are looking to upgrade into a pre owned diesel pusher and was wondering what others opinions are on the best out there. We are looking for something with a TV in the living area, a dinette and at least one recliner.

Tiffin would be my first choice but I've never had one and was looking for others opinions and experiences.

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The Monaco Dynasty is a great coach, especially if u find 07-08 with the Yorkshire/Ralph Lauren Edition
I agree....the Dynasty is a great value!
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