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Old 06-18-2015, 11:06 AM   #1
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Possible inverter/charger failure?

2005 National Tropi-cal with Xantrex Freedom 458 inverter/charger. All systems worked yesterday but after 2 hours on the road--some decent dirt roads--when connecting to shore power, did not get an AC In light or any AC power. Shore power was 220/30 amp (we think). Tried to get power using the on-board generator with no luck--no ac power. Started the engine and got only charging on starter battery and none on house batteries (according to the hall voltage meters). Can anyway help?
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Old 06-18-2015, 11:19 AM   #2
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I hope the shore power wasn't 220 /30 amp. that's arc welder power.
All you RV systems are 120v.
Here's a diagram for checking an RV 30 amp power plug.
If you connected to higher power you may have blown circuit breakers or inline fuses, on your coach systems.
Do you have a users manual for your inverter?
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Old 06-18-2015, 11:40 AM   #3
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I had a Xantrex Freedom 458 inverter charger in a 2003 Winnebago Chieftain. On my way to the rally in Ohio in 2009 my inverter quit working and when I got hooked up at the campground the charger would not charge. I had noticed on different occasions the compartment it was located in got very hot due to poor or no ventilation. I thought that perhaps the unit became overheated and shut down. I opened the door to the compartment to help cool it down. I removed the remote panel from the wall and disconnected the lead from the inverter/charger for a couple of minutes. When I plugged it back in it worked OK after that. I believe one could disconnect the positive battery cable from the unit and reconnect it and that might help as well. It sparks a little when you hook it up but that is normal.

Please let us know how this all works out for you as we all learn from each other. Good Luck;

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Old 06-18-2015, 01:55 PM   #4
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IF shore power was 220/30 and you have a Progressive Induristies HW-#0c or equivlent (the# can be a 3 or a 5) then it is working as designed and preventing damage from your mistake.

30 amps is 120 volts.. ONLY 120 volts.. 50 amps is 120/240/120 But the 240 is only used for one thing in most RV's (if that) and that is telling an Energery manager (Load shedding type) you are on 50 amps.
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Old 06-19-2015, 02:21 PM   #5
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Possible inverter/charger failure?

Thanks for your comments. It's possible the power I used was 220/30amp since it was from my friend's garage. When I saw the placard by the 50amp plug I "assumed" that would be OK. So, what is the "Progressive Induristies HW-#0c or equivalent" you referred to? I have a "Xantrex Freedom 458 inverter/charger" and an auto transfer relay located someplace in the coach. Anyway, since I am on the road in Colorado Springs, that's where we sit awaiting a slot in the repair shop.
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Old 06-19-2015, 02:35 PM   #6
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Go to this website.

http://www.progressiveindustries.net/#!ems-hw50c/cjk6

Gives full details. If you did inadvertently plug your RV into a 220v outlet, it would have prevented any damage to your rig. It pays for itself the first time a campground electric service tries to damage your electrical or electronics.


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I have confirmed we did attempt to plug in 220/30amp power. Sure wish I knew about the restriction for 30amp vs: 50 amp for the 120/220! Any thoughts as to where the auto transfer relay might be located on my coach? 35 ft 2005 National Tropi-cal LX.
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I have confirmed we did attempt to plug in 220/30amp power. Sure wish I knew about the restriction for 30amp vs: 50 amp for the 120/220! Any thoughts as to where the auto transfer relay might be located on my coach? 35 ft 2005 National Tropi-cal LX.

Sorry, can't help with the location question, but hope you will install the Progressive unit so future electrical "Oh No's" are prevented!


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The transfer switch is located wherever the shore and genset power cords come together, usually in the bay where the shore cord connects or possibly at the back of the 120v power (breaker) panel. But that's probably not your problem. Odds are you fried the circuit board in the Freedom 458 with 220v power. They have to deal directly with the source power and are quite sensitive to excessive voltage. Hopefully the Xantrex is the only thing that was damaged. Check all your other appliances that use 120v power.

You may be able to find a shop that can repair it, but I've heard parts are scarce (Xantrex is not good about parts availability). My guess is that you will be replacing it.

Here's one place that claims to have some:
Xantrex Repair Parts

It's unfortunate that the 220v/30A welder or dryer outlet will also accept the 120v/30A RV plug. That similarity has bitten more than a few RVers in the past, and continues to do so.
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Final Report

Found the auto transfer switch and it was OK, but the converter/charger is fried. New one is one the way--expensive lesson. Thanks for all the ideas and recommendations. I will be buying a surge protector soon.
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