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Old 10-02-2016, 07:11 AM   #1
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Rebuilding an Automotion Power Shade with a New Motor

I had the Automotion Power Shade, part $ 73551, fail on a recent trip and I investigated rebuilding since the shade itself is in perfect condition and only the motor itself failed. I did find a little bit of information but nothing directly applicable to my particular shade construction. However, I did find enough information to buy a RollerTrol motor that would fit and I rolled the dice on whether I could adapt it to make it work. Note that RollerTrol does have a write-up on their web site written by another IRV2 member, however the internal construction of his shade was different than mine.

Automotion will not sell a new motor and I wasn't getting good answers from a US vendor on buying a new shade, especially why it cost $50 for shipping from Florida using ground transportation. The shipping escalated replacement cost to nearly $300, which is why I attempted a rebuild. The new motor cost $118.

This shade is installed in a 2005 Newmar Kountry Star 3742. Not sure what other manufacturers and years use this particular shade but it is likely that a number of them did. Attached is a pdf file with instructions and photos that I hope will help others who find themselves in the same situation.

If you have any questions, let me know and I will do my best to answer. I did the rebuild in August to my memory may be a bit foggy at this point
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I just went through the same exercise this summer. The only piece I salvaged of the old parts from the automotion shade was the end plate after I had drilled the rivets. I modified the the "key" from the new RollerTrol shade and pop riveted it to the inside of the old end plate. Works like a charm. The rest of the process was identical to yours, even the mounting of the shade to a 2X4 to set the limits before reinstalling in the Coach. Sorry I didn't take pictures to show what I did.
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Frustrating you can't just buy a replacement motor.
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Old 10-02-2016, 08:20 PM   #4
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I have done this repair twice, on both front shades of my 05 MountainAir. Both work much better than the original Automotion shade for several reasons: RollerTrol much nicer to deal with and they want your business; cheaper and better; programmable so the up/down stops are electrical instead of physical (I can't turn anymore), RollerTrol motors are designed to be adaptive to many applications and not designed to work only as an OEM part. Highly recommend RollerTrol and save the frustration of a run around with Automotion. Jim
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When one of the shade motors in our Revolution died I did a search on the Automotion site for a local dealer/installer. I found one close by and they were able to source a motor.
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The motors are probably still good. It is the electronics in the limit switch that go bad. I am pretty sure it was on the Tiffin network that I read that you could bypass the limit switch. I tried it on a motor I had replaced and the motor works. If you bypass the limit switch you just have to stop the shade where you want it. Which I always did anyway.
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My motor broke into two pieces on the end near the mounting plate and were not usable except for boat anchors. RolerTrol looks like a much better design. Heavier probably since they are most often used in large automated shade projects. I first used them in an automated shade project across my deck that faced west. Couldn't be more pleased with my RolerTrol motors.
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RollerTrol motors are designed to be adaptive to many applications and not designed to work only as an OEM part. Highly recommend RollerTrol and save the frustration of a run around with Automotion. Jim
Wow, I explored the rollerTrol web site, very interesting, They even have adapted a Pi interface. After spending 30+ yrs designing automation controllers, the Pi has set a new low cost high function standard for dyi projects. Jim have you taken this leap? you could have the most automated blinds / coach available.... controlled by your pc, phone, ipad...

thanks for the post
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My Automotion visor goes up or down a 1/4 inch at a time. Does this sound like something to do with the limit switch or the motor itself?


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Probably limit switch setting but I don't know much about how Automotion sets their limit. Probably available on their website. Jim
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Pictures of Broken Shade Bracket

Went to the coach today and took some pictures. It looks like it is not an Automotion shade. I've attached a picture of the broken end, the motor (intact) end, and the fixed end on the driver's side. Looks like the shop used some kind of plastic putty or something similar.

Anyone recognize the brand? I'll also write Tiffin and ask, but my guess is that they will only have the entire shade as a replacement.
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I'll bet RollerTrol will adapt to this shade. If your shade rolls up on a tube, probably 1 5/8", the tube motors made by RollerTrol have a hard rubber drive wheel installed on the shaft that can be trimmed with a file to fit the ID contour of most tubes.
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My Automotion visor goes up or down a 1/4 inch at a time. Does this sound like something to do with the limit switch or the motor itself?


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That is how the Rollertrol motor operates during the operation to set the limits. Sounds like yours might be in limit settings mode.
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