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Old 04-27-2012, 11:56 AM   #29
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I got a few of these wheb they first put them in in chicAgo...

They are a municipal fine, not a moving violation. In the name of safety, they just want your money. They showed really nice videos on the internet of me hammering it wqhen the light turned yellow and blowing the red light. More than once before i learned to spot them and behave.

The law in illinois is the vehicle must enter the intersection after the light turns red. Pretty hard to argue that on video. They changed the camera systems to quit nailing people who were turning right on red.

I still totally object to the lose of my constitutionally guaranteed right to the presumption of innocense, trial by jury, and right to question my accuser!
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Old 04-27-2012, 12:22 PM   #30
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Got a red light violation ticket in the mail here in downtown part of the City of Salem a few months back. I sent the full amount in ($189.00) with an explanation and was refunded $90. I didn't contest it, just explained the situation. (I turned right in a right-hand turn lane as the light turned red but did not/could not see the light change because a huge truck in the next lane over to my left was also turning right).

I was thankful for that amount back. If you simply send the full amount in with an explanation (about how much more effort it takes to determine when lights change from yellow to green in a MH) I'd think you'd get some of it back as well. Maybe not. It's worth a try. Good luck.
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Old 04-27-2012, 12:44 PM   #31
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I would just write a letter to the courts explaining that you were in fact driving a motorhome, pulling a vehicle and therefore would not have been able to stop in time unless half of your combined vehicle would have been stopped in the intersection. I am sure that the license plate that they used was on the toad and not the motorhome. Most courts are understanding. In any case, you have nothing to lose. I would do this before sending the money.
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Old 04-27-2012, 12:56 PM   #32
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Red light camera tickets in Texas are a civil matter not criminal. Therefore they will not show up on your driving record as a moving violation. After 30 years of L.E. experiance still can't quite figure how the attorney's came up with that. They will continue to summon you to court if you don't pay the ticket.
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Old 04-27-2012, 08:29 PM   #33
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i WAS TOLD THAT RED LIGHT CAMERA CITATIONS WERE TOTALLY BEATABLE AND COULD NOT STAND IN A COURT OF LAW. UNDER THE PROTECTION OF OUR CONSTITUTION YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE YOUR ACCUSER PRESENT IN A COURT OF LAW. WELL CAMERAS CANT WALK IN NOR DO THEY SPEAK. THAT BEING SAID ANY TYPE OF REPRESENTATION FROM THE CAMERAS REPRESENTITIVES IS PURE HEAR SAY. THE MINUTE THEY OPEN THEY'RE MOUTH YOU DECLARE HEARSAY YOUR HONER AND IT SHOULD BE SUSTAINED. I AM NOT A LAWYER THOUGH BUT HAVE READ THIS AND IT MAKES GOOD SENSE TO ME.
Obviously this system works differently in different places.
I wish you and your lawyer good luck with that if you ever get a photo ticket
in Tucson, AZ. This is what happens here..........
When you show up to court an officer takes you into a different room and
shows you the video of the infraction and shows and tells you exactly
which laws you broke. Then asks you how you want to plea in front
of the judge. Waiting for my turn, I listened to several people give their
excuses to the judge, then the officer shows the judge the video,
(I assume the laptop had been properly sworn in and under oath) and
points out to the judge exactly where you broke the law.
The judge found every one of them guilty.

So even though you are not a lawyer and it makes good sense to you......
GOOD LUCK pointing that out to the judge.


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Old 04-27-2012, 08:43 PM   #34
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I would just write a letter to the courts explaining that you were in fact driving a motorhome, pulling a vehicle and therefore would not have been able to stop in time unless half of your combined vehicle would have been stopped in the intersection. I am sure that the license plate that they used was on the toad and not the motorhome. Most courts are understanding. In any case, you have nothing to lose. I would do this before sending the money.

I did better than write a letter.
For my first red light photo ticket I went to court and explained to the nice
lady judge that it was only the second time I had driven the MH, it was only
5 miles from my house. Just before the intersection there are RR tracks and
I looked both ways at the tracks, looked up and the light was yellow. Hit the
brakes and instantly knew this 38' freight train was not going to stop, then
hit the gas again.
Too late, red light turned about half a second before I got there.
She smiled sympathetically and said, "Guilty".

"Most courts are understanding." No, I don't think so.


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Old 04-27-2012, 08:58 PM   #35
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Can't help but contribute to this thread
I occasionally drive multi combination vehicles
That's 36 wheelers
Any way you can stop a vehicle of this size within the distance required and if the load is legally restrained it won't end up in the cab with you.
An rv of course could stop in the distance but like you I would be loath to stand in the brakes that hard unless it was an emergency.
I've been guilty of running red lights in the motorhome but never in a truck.
I can imagine having your DW hit in the back if the head with the kettle or fruit bowl wouldnt be worth the fine
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:02 PM   #36
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I wish I had thought of that
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:12 PM   #37
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WOW guys, thanks for all the advice, I already mailed the check with an explanation how a 40000# mh with a 4200# car cannot stop like a 68 Pinto, I will report the results, I did mention red light trap and from the response from the gentleman that lives 5 miles from there I assume he also believes red light money pit. When these things are declared illegal I wonder if Port Richey will have to pay interest on the returned funds.Do you think the judge will enjoy spending my money because of the "red light remark"
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I'll look up my commercial vehicle accident reconstruction notes tomorrow and report back with some numbers for you guys on stopping distances and timing etc so we can put a little more science behind the "I was once told..." stuff.
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Old 04-27-2012, 11:11 PM   #39
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If you are in the intersection before the light turns red, you should not have recieved a ticket. I have never, recieved a ticket for running a red light. I have been driving in AZ since '99 and have never had a problem. Maybe, I'm just lucky?? LOL!!
Because I haven't had a ticket in many years, I was reminded of a little trick when you recieve a ticket in the mail. When you write the check, make it out for more than you've be asked for. Anyone hear about that? It went around the internet mail some years ago. Always said, if I ever get a ticket, I was going to try it.
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Old 04-27-2012, 11:41 PM   #40
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Sorta slightly off topic, but I gotta share this. A friend of mine got a ticket for speeding. 67 in a 55 MPH zone. He got to court and told the judge that he was not going that fast.

Judge says "OK, so how fast were you going? About 57 or 58?"

My buddy says "Yes".

Judge says "Your guilty plea is accepted".

My buddy couldn't believe he got snookered like that.
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Old 04-28-2012, 01:15 AM   #41
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If you have a GPS that will accept custom POIs, a little warning might help. Red Light & Speed Cameras | POI Factory I have them setup as alerts that are activated when I'm within a 1/2 mile of red light or speed cameras.
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In Germany the government has traffic cameras installed along the autobahns to detect speeders (not all of the autobahns are free of speed limits). A guy in my unit put on a gorilla mask and purposely triggered a few of those cameras a week before he rotated stateside. The pictures were posted to the unit bulletin board, we were warned not to try it ourselves. The first sergeant was not amused, but the guy that did it did not have to come back to Germany to pay the fines, he was back in the states and his car was halfway across the pond on a ship.
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