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Old 08-04-2015, 09:25 PM   #71
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Oh man, here we go again. Yes, Michelin does cover it. Many have been reimbursed. They just paid 70% of my rear 4 tires and 75% of the steers. Over $2,500. And they were almost five years old. That's amazing customer service no other tire manufacturer can touch.

Love my Michelin's, keeping 'Em a long time! :-). 40 years of great Michelin service without a flat or a blowout !

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If Michelin's are so good, why'd you have to have them replaced prematurely?

Our points exactly why other tires have been referred here!

Just my opinion, I have read too many complaints about Michelin and Good Year and have found greater satisfaction elsewhere at a lesser cost with just as good a warranty.
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Oh man, here we go again. Yes, Michelin does cover it. Many have been reimbursed. They just paid 70% of my rear 4 tires and 75% of the steers. Over $2,500. And they were almost five years old. That's amazing customer service no other tire manufacturer can touch.

Love my Michelin's, keeping 'Em a long time! :-). 40 years of great Michelin service without a flat or a blowout !

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I stand corrected, I'm glad so many have been reimbursed for this problem. I'm sure the $2,500+ Michelin buy-back helped a lot towards the purchase price.
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Talk to some guys who really know tires, not just rehash rumors, and you'll see Michelin is the best quality tire.

Save a penny, spend a dollar.

Or a life.

Good Luck!
How do you quantify your statement and who are these, "some guys", that you believe in heart and soul?


It would benefit this discussion if you describe what the word, quality, means to you. Tread life? Road noise? Comfort? Wet-Driving response?


Elitist statements don't make much sense unless they're backed up with facts.
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How do you quantify your statement and who are these, "some guys", that you believe in heart and soul?


It would benefit this discussion if you describe what the word, quality, means to you. Tread life? Road noise? Comfort? Wet-Driving response?


Elitist statements don't make much sense unless they're backed up with facts.

My goodness, a bit snippy, eh? Why so harsh? Cheer up! Elitist? Lol !

OK, I'll play along, friend.

Some guys = Atlanta Commercial tire, 10 dealerships around metro Atlanta, they over 30,000 tires per month.

Quality = tread life, road noise, dependability, comfort, performance, customer service, warranty, all weather driving response.

40 years with Michelin's and not a single tire failure or even a flat tire.

There ya go, Mate.

Any more questions?

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Cracking sidewalks are not considered a failure ? They reimbursed you. I would call that a verifiable failure according to the manufacturer.

30000 tires a month in an extremely large metro area is without a doubt a nice looking number but by your statement that is from 10 stores. Now you're down to 3000 per store for a minimum of 750 vehicles per store and probably less since larger vehicles can take 6 plus tires. My point is that numbers and facts can be deceiving. The true fact is satisfaction in what each individual is satisfied with. You're in love with Michelin. That is a wonderful thing. They do not meet EVERYONES criteria. It's really OK. WE're all gonna be OK and if not then we can't blame it on you.

For the poster who started this thread, you now can see what happens when grown people talk about tire brands for motor homes. You should also have a better understanding of why they make many different brands.
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[Rant on]

You people who look down on Bridgestones, Toyos, Yokohamas, Hankooks, etc. and think your Michelins are SO better, you guys must REALLY enjoy drinking that Michelin Kool-Aide.

If Michelins are SO much better, why do they develop cracks on their sidewalls ?? And big friggen deal that they reimbursed you. Cracks are cracks.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Michelins. In fact, my BMW and Honda are outfitted with them. As daily drivers, they perform great.

But we're talking about motorhomes here. Most do NOT accumulate mileage like cars. I'm more than comfortable buying a brand OTHER than Michelins. To me, it's not worth the extra bucks for "that extra safety margin" (if in fact, there IS any). I'd rather spend it on gas, beer, steaks, crab legs, etc.

But hey, it's your money. Buy whatever gives you piece of mind. If your Michelins are the best and gives you added advantage (and added cracks), well, go for it.

Just don't forget to buy some more Kool-Aide....



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Hold up guys. I began this thread to discuss other options to the biggest name brand tires, you already know the list. New brands are now available in virtually the same quality, longevity, and ride as them. That is what I wish to discover.
We all have a common goal, enjoy ourselves while living within our means. Personal attacks introduce discord into something we all volunteer to do, help each other. We should be bigger than that. Alpha99 and I have different views, which is actually a good thing IMO.
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Hold up guys. I began this thread to discuss other options to the biggest name brand tires, you already know the list. New brands are now available in virtually the same quality, longevity, and ride as them. That is what I wish to discover.
We all have a common goal, enjoy ourselves while living within our means. Personal attacks introduce discord into something we all volunteer to do, help each other. We should be bigger than that. Alpha99 and I have different views, which is actually a good thing IMO.
You are so very correct Ray. I just wish that when folks discuss this very opinionated issue that they would just offer FACTS and why they purchase that brand. Denigrating one brand over the other merely makes me look at that poster and wonder. I'm pretty sure it's fair to say that all tires are not created equal. All coaches are not created equal but I don't see the same level of discourse over it. For those of you who prefer brand X then buy them and be happy. Most of those who are talking about tires are looking for factual info, not how much brand Y sux. Get over it !
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I will help bring it back on track. I just purchased 6 Firestone FS560's. $1850 out the door. Very happy with them so far. I have about 1000 Miles on them now. I was a previous Goodyear G670's owner. I replaced the originals, nearly 10 years old, not a lick of problems until last summer I had a blowout on the drivers steer tire. I cannot and will not blame Goodyear for a blowout on a 9 year old tire.

With that said, in my humble opinion, the Firestone's ride better and "feel" better to me, and the price point is about 50% of the Goodyear's. Goodyears served me well, but I just could not justify 4k. I will say that the Goodyear's did "river", the Firestone's don't.

I wish you good luck in your search.
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Hold up guys. I began this thread to discuss other options to the biggest name brand tires, you already know the list. New brands are now available in virtually the same quality, longevity, and ride as them. That is what I wish to discover.
We all have a common goal, enjoy ourselves while living within our means. Personal attacks introduce discord into something we all volunteer to do, help each other. We should be bigger than that. Alpha99 and I have different views, which is actually a good thing IMO.
I understand your goal but the reality is that no individual I know of has the ability to run a sound scientific comparison of two different tires. There are just too many variables such as load, speed, inflation, weather road surface etc.
Some conditions few consider such as road surface can have very significant affect on test outcome. I have seen data that shows some variations that exceed 50% on something as easy to measure as wear rate.

How many people replace shocks and all suspension bushings after say 100,000 miles before they start their evaluation of set #2 in their comparison?

Simply reporting that you bought a set for $x and now have 8500 miles with no failure, is not a good engineering test to base a comparison of tire brands on.

Even looking at tire recalls and complaints is not very reliable as almost no one in the RV community seems to bother to file a complete actionable complaint with NHTSA. Also many confuse correlation with causation and have been able to develop performance comparisons that suggest that if a tire plant is painted blue the tires there are more likely to fail.
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Everyone has an opinion. I've had two coaches that came with Michelins. I replaced the first set with Goodyears and the second with Toyota's. Why, well I went over to the shop that does my service and talked to truck owners and their tire retailer about what was working best for them.

The retailer is one of those who comes to you and installs whatever tire you want at your location. He does hundreds of tires a week with his crew. He advised me to go with the Toyota's this time and I saved a great deal of money. I have put several thousand miles on them now with not one problem. I also use a TPMS from Truckers Supply.

Now I can easily afford the more expensive tire, and he sells them too. I just don't like to spend money for a name when I see no need. There are a lot of good tires on the market other than Toyota's and you should do your due diligence on which one to purchase. Talk to some fleet owners like I did.
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Good points Tireman9.

There are many factors that can contribute to tire failure, not just brand consistency.
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Talk to some guys who really know tires, not just rehash rumors, and you'll see Michelin is the best quality tire.
Save a penny, spend a dollar.
Or a life.
Good Luck!
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The 6 Michelin XZE tires I bought in 2011, (and that had such bad sidewall cracks that they HAD TO BE replaced in 2014), where DEFINITELY NOT the "best quality tire".
IMO false/misleading information is worse than no information at all.
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I have a 2005 Itasca....it came from the factory on 6 Michelins 255 80R 22.5. Michelin discontinued this size and this size tire was proprietary to Michelin. No one else makes this size. I went to the closest size I could find from Toyo. I was able to get 6 tires made just a few months ago. It took some research, but this is the best I could some up with. The tires feel great.
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