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Old 08-20-2015, 11:13 AM   #15
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you DO know that if i screw up my (car ,truck ,motorhome ) and i pay somebody to get it fixed IT NEVERSHOWS UP on carfax ,,dont ask me how i know
I was well aware of that but I just figured it was another avenue to follow to either make them more secure with the possible purchase or prove to themselves that there was an issue with it. Things like accidents and body/frame repair will show up unless you are really talented ..... which I am not !!!
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Old 08-20-2015, 12:41 PM   #16
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There must be something else you are not comfortable with, as stated in a prior thread the goal is always to negotiate what you are buying at the lowest price possible. They lower the price and for some reason that scares you off. Would you like the MH any better if they had stuck to their original price. When you say they tried bullying you, do you think maybe they met all your negotiated requests and you still didn't buy, maybe they are just frustrated that they met your requests and you didn't buy, were not serious about it and wasted their time.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not sticking up for the dealer, I just think for some reason it's just not the MH for you, and you are not totally satisfied with it. Dealers always mark up the prices, there are still people out there that pay whatever the asking price is and are thrilled when they throw in a start up kit or something. Good luck and continue the hunt, you will find what is right for you.
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Old 08-20-2015, 01:27 PM   #17
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It gives me a good starting point. By the way I just don't put up with aggressive salesmen. I ask for another one. I have been know to go to the owner or general manager of the property and let them know why I am leaving.
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Old 08-20-2015, 08:18 PM   #18
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I've never done it and I have no idea it can be done but what about running it through Carfax ? That might expose some secrets. Ask up front how it is titled. Ask if it is a consignment. How many previous owners. Tire age ....... etc.
Carfax has no reporting requirements for vehicles so it really means nothing, plus their "guarantee" only gets you the cost of the report back. You're still stuck with the vehicle.
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Old 08-20-2015, 08:18 PM   #19
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Interesting event a few weeks back with a local salesman.

We were looking at a 02 Fleetwood Discovery that had been taken on trade about 8 months ago (still on the lot hummmm). The salesman we were working with had been the person who took the trade. He mentioned that the previous owners were great folks and I could talk to them. Since I had several questions that he could not answer, I asked for the phone number of the PO.

I called the number and explained why I was calling and asked what they could tell me about the coach. The lady replied:

"Let me be totally honest, I would be so sad if you bought that coach. We had nothing but trouble from it." She went on to explain that they dealer had done a lot of expensive work on the coach but never fixed the problems. They traded for a big 5th wheel.

That may have been the most valuable phone call I've ever made. Obviously we didn't buy that coach and I'm not about to tell the salesman why.
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So the op had the dealer make their first offer. They turned it down. The dealer made another offer and somehow that is aggressive sales tactics? No. It's called negotiations. Folks, there's something called a manufacturers retail suggested price or MSRP, we start there. We then negotiate and yes, the final price might be 2000.00 less than we started or it might be 70000.00 less. Depends on what the markup is. Why be offended at the dealers price? Are you offended by Fleetwood, Thor or Entegra for offering their product at what sometimes amounts to be a 40% markup? It's a starting point. I'll give you a little advise, if you are dealing with an aggressive, well run sales department and they let you walk out without buying.........you got their best price or really close to it. When someone is leaving my store, I make sure that if they are going to shop another dealer (which I assume they all are), they have a price from me that no other dealer is going to beat. We call it giving them a reason to come back. I doubt the unit is defective, I would chalk it up to a dealer wanting to sell a coach. Another tip, I can keep anything I want off of carfax and even have things removed and/or changed if I felt the need. No hocus pocus, just a phone call, don't rely on it, get it inspected.
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Old 08-21-2015, 12:54 PM   #22
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I am with Mike and Cha as well as majoracing.

If the coach is what you want and you were able to get the dealer to negotiate down I would be considering their offer.

I can understand a dealers frustration and aggession if you are not negotiating in good faith.
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Great advice, oakcreekeric!
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Thank you all for your comments. We talked to our bank before we made the final decision We turned it down for several reasons. 1. we will have all loans paid in 1 1/2 yrs freeing up more money. 2. The sales people listened to what we were looking for, then proceeded to try and talk us into something lower in class. We wanted a diesel and they wanted us to take a gasser. We told them we were just looking and were at least 1 1/2 years from buying. They began under the guise of wanting to see what we wanted, then tried to force this vehicle on us. 3. they made us really mad when the manager called at 7:45 pm and proceeded to chew us out. We told them at the onset that we were not ready to buy.
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Thank you all for your comments. We talked to our bank before we made the final decision We turned it down for several reasons. 1. we will have all loans paid in 1 1/2 yrs freeing up more money. 2. The sales people listened to what we were looking for, then proceeded to try and talk us into something lower in class. We wanted a diesel and they wanted us to take a gasser. We told them we were just looking and were at least 1 1/2 years from buying. They began under the guise of wanting to see what we wanted, then tried to force this vehicle on us. 3. they made us really mad when the manager called at 7:45 pm and proceeded to chew us out. We told them at the onset that we were not ready to buy.
When shopping around, we always tell them that we are looking but in no hurry to buy or sell. If a manager called me to chew me out, he/she would not have liked the conversation or the letter i would have sent to the owner about his bad behavior.

When dealing with salesman, unless i know them well, i always assume they are lying, they are not interested in what I want, only what they can sell me. Last MH we bought, i only dealt with the sales manager. Told them no games, just give it to me straight.
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You left out some of that info in your first posts. Absolutely walk away from those guys.
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Salesmen come in two flavors: That was HIGH PRESSURE and the best thing you can do is show them your backside walking out of the showroom without any paper being inked. Which is just what you did.

The other kind is low or no pressure:: You want it.. Ok, here's the contract.. You don't want it. Ok what else can I show you.. Nothing on our lot just now appeals.. ok, here's my card. Come back anytime.

If the salesman actually knows what he is talking about (Selling) he will belong to the second group (Ok her's my card come back any time)

The high pressure type are like Politicians
How to tell when they are lying.... Their lips move.
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