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Old 12-20-2010, 02:05 AM   #1
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Side separation of Country Coach roof

While my 2007 Country Coach Tribute is in for some repairs, the inspection revealed separation of the fiberglass roof along the entirety of both sides. The repair tech feels that this is a sign of early delamination of the entire roof and recommends replacement. A job of about 9K+!

After surfing the internet on this issue for the past few days, it appears that national rv roofs seem to have this as a more common condition than not. I do not want to cheapen a "fix" and discover that I have compromised my coach, but I don't wan't to do unnecessary replacement, either!

Forums have suggested that this separation is not a delamination, as much as a condition that only exists at the junction to the curves to the sides, and may be non-worrisome, common condition. Possibly even serves to allow expansion and contraction. Other discussions suggest eternabond taping the length of the roof.

Anxious to hear from those of similar experience, and especially from anyone who has particular expertise in this concern.
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Old 12-20-2010, 09:34 AM   #2
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I would not term a roof-sidewall separation as "delamination" - that is something else (separation of the fiberglass skin from the underlayment).

If your roof is really pulling away form the sidewall, that is a serious structural problem. I would get the coach to the experts at either Oregon Motorcoach or the newly re-opened Country Coach Corp service facility. Both are owned and staffed by former Country Coach personnel.

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Can you post a picture of the problem area? The fix for delamination is a lot different than for structural issues, so we need to be sure we are talking about the same thing.
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Old 12-21-2010, 03:33 AM   #3
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Thanks, Gary.

I just got up to M and M Coach Specialists in Chino, CA. A solid, 30 yr+ family owned business, whose customers are essentially all virtue of word of mouth referrals. I was referred by a friend that has been through a few higher end coaches, and feels the integrity and worksmanship are impeccable.

Back to the problem (of which I did not obtain a picture, but will give a shot at describing): It is not a side separation, but more prominent on the curvature of the roof, in multiple areas, there is a visible "crinkling (lines and ripples)." It crackles and feels bubbled up, when any pressure is applied. So far, coach side wall structure appears sound and there are no water stains noted anywhere in the coach. There is some rusty spotting noted in several of the ceiling light fixture lenses. Tim, owner and founder of this business, says that it appears to be a structural failure and best approach would be to replace the roof, sooner, rather than later.

I am having some minor body work, painting and awning replacements done, presently, under an insurance claim. I had a "small?" encounter with an old utility pole on the corner of a harrowingly narrow intersection, on my maiden voyage. Unfortunate, but a sobering lesson in coach awareness and maneuverability. Involved the right side toward the rear. NO impact on the roof situation, which is easily visible, beginning all the way in front and along both sides and some portions of the flat surface.

Being a 2007, that only had 6800 miles on it, I would want to seek a warrantee remedy, but with the originating builder out of business, there would appear no recourse. Coach is presently stymied at the repair facility; toppers and awnings off and getting the body and paint attention. Made no sense to paint and then do roof, so roof appears as the most logical thing to attend to, now.

I poured so much into the coach and toad (GMC Terrain) already, that this development is devastating to the retirement budget.

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Good luck with it.
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Old 12-23-2010, 11:55 AM   #5
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"It is not a side separation, but more prominent on the curvature of the roof, in multiple areas, there is a visible "crinkling (lines and ripples)." It crackles and feels bubbled up, when any pressure is applied. So far, coach side wall structure appears sound and there are no water stains noted anywhere in the coach."

I have had side separation where the moulding covering the roof attachment screws passes around the coach sidewalls about 4" from the roof curve. In this case, I just broke the sealant, raised the 3' section of moulding, tightened the screws, and resealed the moulding. This has been done twice in 16 years.

The "crinkling" description sounds more like a paint (clearcoat?) or gelcoat failure which I have also had and repaired with some sanding and rattle can clear coat.

What is the depth of the lines and ripples when you press on the roof? If it appears that the fiberglass is not firm when under pressure then it would need to be replaced either locally or entirely.

On the roof top surface, not the curved edge, are there any noticeable sags or spongy response when you walk up there? If not, why does the roof need to be replaced vs doing a fiberglass repair on the edge area?

This is a case where good pictures speak at least a hundred words for your question. It might be worth your time, at $9,000 potential cost, to take some pictures and get better responses to your question.

Your vendor may be taking a very cautious approach to create a "no complaint" repair by using your money to solve the problem. I guess that situation is what you are questioning.
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Old 12-23-2010, 12:54 PM   #6
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I'm sorry but I don't feel there is delamination in the roof. It would be wise to consult with those that built the coach such as the mentioned Oregon Motorcoach. $9K is a lot of money and I would spend the two days to drive up to OR for an expert opinion. After Jan 3, there will be Country Coach Corporation to consult with also.

Before that, I would take some pictures and send them to OMC and also post them here.
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I second having OMCC take a look at it...if you are a member of CCI they are also having a winter service special that is 20% (I think) off.
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Now you guys have really got me thinking.................
I had a Trident Protection System applied just prior to delivery. May have been a rush or improper job. Could that cause the appearance of the rippling and crepitence?
May have been overkill to do it, as I didn't think about, or know, if previous owner already had a protectant application.
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BTW, Country Coach, as it were, will not be restarting. Already looked into. "There will be no warranty help. The Company is not restarting. It is going to be a service and parts business."
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I would guess there is no need for two repair facilities owned by members of the Lee family, Bob Lee being the founder of CC, in the Junction City, Ore. area.

So, it is widely speculated that there will be new CC rigs manufactured in the near future on a small scale at the new location.

You will not have warranty for your rig.

But you do have access to folks who helped build your rig at the above mentioned vendors.
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I would guess there is no need for two repair facilities owned by members of the Lee family, Bob Lee being the founder of CC, in the Junction City, Ore. area.......................
I think you will find there is plenty of business to support both OMC and CCC. Some people do not think a CC can be serviced or repaired anywhere other than the factory. Before CC went out of business, they quit doing repair work (real smart move ) OMC picked up the ball for repair and has even launched into renovation work even on SOB's .
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I guess my point was that OMC is owned by Bob Lee (founder of CC) and Mason.

CC will be owned by Ron Lee, Bob's brother.

The Lee family owns the old CC facility.

Both facilities will be involved in RV repair and renovation.

So, it seems likely that the two will be combined in the future rather than competing against each other? (Save on the cost of facility rent).

Or, CC will be manufacturing some sort of RV......
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