Go Back   iRV2 Forums > MOTORHOME FORUMS > Class A Motorhome Discussions
Click Here to Login
Join iRV2 Today

Mission Statement: Supporting thoughtful exchange of knowledge, values and experience among RV enthusiasts.
Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on iRV2
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 11-28-2015, 03:58 PM   #1
Member
 
Trynforpar's Avatar
 
Winnebago Owners Club
Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Northeast
Posts: 97
Starting engine during storage

About to put my MH in winter storage and was wondering if I should start the engine every 3 to 4 weeks or let it go until the spring. Also should I plug it into a 30 amp circuit to keep the batteries charged.
__________________

__________________
Tom n Nancy, 2016 Itasca 40R, 2015 Jeep Wrangler
Chessie and Travis "The Pups"
Trynforpar is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 RV Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

iRV2.com RV Community - Are you about to start a new improvement on your RV or need some help with some maintenance? Do you need advice on what products to buy? Or maybe you can give others some advice? No matter where you fit in you'll find that iRV2 is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with other RV owners, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create an RV blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 11-28-2015, 04:04 PM   #2
Senior Member
 
palehorse89's Avatar


 
Newmar Owners Club
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 7,731
Hi Tom, if you use the "Search bar" and do a search on this subject, you will find a lot of different opinions. I do not start anything I own unless I intend to use/operate it. Mine sits all winter.......sleeping........with no ill affects in the spring. Keep it plugged in 24/7 is a great way to maintain your batteries.
__________________

__________________
2000 Newmar MADP 4060, 350ISC, Spartan MM, IFS 2011 Jeep JK, M&G Braking, 2014 MTI 27' Hog Hauler, Wireless brake control, 2006Ultra & 1989 Springer
palehorse89 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2015, 04:06 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
brian-nicola's Avatar


 
Fleetwood Owners Club
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Posts: 817
We winterize ours, diesel stabilizer, fill the tank, top off the batteries, plug it in, on her jacks and monthly check the water level in the batteries. My nephew who is a diesel tech says unless you are going to drive it...leave it alone.
__________________
Brian & Nicola
2013 Discovery 40E "DISCO"
TOAD 2014 Wrangler
Xeena(German Shepard)
brian-nicola is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2015, 04:07 PM   #4
Senior Member
 
pagosajoe's Avatar
 
Fleetwood Owners Club
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Southwest
Posts: 1,548
What palehorse89 and brian-nicola said. Same here.
__________________
Joe and Debbie, Emma the Aussie Cattle Dog who adopted us
2012 Discovery 36J, Blue Ox and Air Force One, 2010 GMC Acadia Toad
USAF (Ret) WDM http://wd0m.com
pagosajoe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2015, 04:09 PM   #5
Senior Member
 
Pusherman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Rochester NY
Posts: 2,545
Quote:
Originally Posted by palehorse89 View Post
Hi Tom, if you use the "Search bar" and do a search on this subject, you will find a lot of different opinions. I do not start anything I own unless I intend to use/operate it. Mine sits all winter.......sleeping........with no ill affects in the spring. Keep it plugged in 24/7 is a great way to maintain your batteries.
ditto -- what palehorse89 said. Good advice.

Starting the engine during storage never allows it to reach operating temperatures to dry out the moisture generated while starting, especially in the transmission. If you can't get it up to operating temperatures (which means driving it for a significant distance), let it rest until spring.
__________________
Don
'07 Winnebago Journey 34H - CAT C7, Koni's, MCU's, SS Bell Crank, Safe-T-Plus
'07 HHR Toad, SMI AFO, Blue OX
Pusherman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2015, 04:11 PM   #6
Senior Member
 
Mr_D's Avatar
 
Solo Rvers Club
iRV2 No Limits Club
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Vancouver, WA
Posts: 28,423
Direct from Cummins in writing:
Quote:
This is a very good question. From the perspective of the
Cummins engine it is good to do either one of two things:

1) Start the engine and drive it or 2) do not start the engine.

Our engines do not gain anything by idling. In fact a diesel engine
on low idle will not ever get up to operating temperatures which is
bad for the engine and can cause an increase in soot production.

The other side of the story is that starting the engine and letting it
idle is probably good for other things like air brakes, heating and
cooling, etc. So probably the best answer to try to get both worlds
to meet is to occasionally take the unit out for a drive during times
of prolonged storage.
I leave ours plugged in 24/7 over the winter non-use period.
__________________
2009 45' Magna 630 w/Cummins ISX 650 HP/1950 Lbs Ft
Charter Good Sam Lifetime Member, FMCA, SKP
RV'ing since 1957, NRA Benefactor Life, towing '14 CR-V
Mr_D is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2015, 06:12 AM   #7
Member
 
Trynforpar's Avatar
 
Winnebago Owners Club
Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Northeast
Posts: 97
Thanks for the useful information. When you say that you leave it plugged in all winter, does that mean that you plug it directly into house power or do you use a trickle charger to keep the batteries. Charged.
__________________
Tom n Nancy, 2016 Itasca 40R, 2015 Jeep Wrangler
Chessie and Travis "The Pups"
Trynforpar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2015, 06:47 AM   #8
Senior Member
 
palehorse89's Avatar


 
Newmar Owners Club
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 7,731
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trynforpar View Post
Thanks for the useful information. When you say that you leave it plugged in all winter, does that mean that you plug it directly into house power or do you use a trickle charger to keep the batteries. Charged.
I think your new Coach has a converter or a optional inverter/charger to maintain the batteries when plugged into shore power Tom. You can run a 12/3 extension cord to it and use a dog-bone to connect to the Coach's power plug.
__________________
2000 Newmar MADP 4060, 350ISC, Spartan MM, IFS 2011 Jeep JK, M&G Braking, 2014 MTI 27' Hog Hauler, Wireless brake control, 2006Ultra & 1989 Springer
palehorse89 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2015, 07:41 AM   #9
Moderator Emeritus
 
Gary RVRoamer's Avatar


 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Silver Springs, FL. USA
Posts: 18,073
IMO there is no real benefit to periodically starting the engine. And if you do start it, let it run until thoroughly warmed up or you can actually causes harm rather than prevent it. The "best practice" says you can start it, warm it up thoroughly and then take it for a short drive to get all the parts moving and re-lubricated. Short of that, just let it sit and don't start it at all.

The generator, on the other hand, is vulnerable to moisture build-up in the wiring and running it periodically (under load) will heat it up and dry it out. For a gas genset, it also prevents carburetor gum-up from stagnant fuel.

The batteries definitely need charging while in storage - they will suffer if they go dead (and they will) and are vulnerable to freezing if the temps drop low enough. A dead battery freezes easily, while a fully charged one is good to about 75 below. Your Itasca has a nice 3-stage charger, so leave it plugged in. Just make sure the batteries have adequate water in the cells (if a flooded cell type battery).
__________________
Gary Brinck
Former owner of 2004 American Tradition
Home is in the Ocala Nat'l Forest near Ocala, FL
Summers in Black Mountain, NC
Gary RVRoamer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2015, 08:27 AM   #10
Senior Member
 
Steve Ownby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Cosby, Tn
Posts: 6,395
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary RVRoamer View Post
IMO there is no real benefit to periodically starting the engine. And if you do start it, let it run until thoroughly warmed up or you can actually causes harm rather than prevent it. The "best practice" says you can start it, warm it up thoroughly and then take it for a short drive to get all the parts moving and re-lubricated. Short of that, just let it sit and don't start it at all.

The generator, on the other hand, is vulnerable to moisture build-up in the wiring and running it periodically (under load) will heat it up and dry it out. For a gas genset, it also prevents carburetor gum-up from stagnant fuel.

The batteries definitely need charging while in storage - they will suffer if they go dead (and they will) and are vulnerable to freezing if the temps drop low enough. A dead battery freezes easily, while a fully charged one is good to about 75 below. Your Itasca has a nice 3-stage charger, so leave it plugged in. Just make sure the batteries have adequate water in the cells (if a flooded cell type battery).

I agree with Gary 100%. When the generator is started, load it up to over 50% capacity and let it run for an hour or more if possible.
__________________
Steve Ownby
Full time since 2007
2003 Monaco Signature
Steve Ownby is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2015, 10:34 AM   #11
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Sedona, AZ
Posts: 1,126
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Ownby View Post
I agree with Gary 100%. When the generator is started, load it up to over 50% capacity and let it run for an hour or more if possible.
I see this said (exercise the generator under load) all the time but don't understand why. I am not necessarily disagreeing, but would like to hear an explanation why under load is important. My observations that make me wonder are: 1) my home back-up generator automatically exercises once a week but doesn't do it under load (designed that way by the manufacturer); and 2: my MH generator does get up to operating temperature without being under load.
__________________
Shell Bleiweiss
2014 1/2 Thor Challenger 37KT
Sedona, AZ
sbleiweiss is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2015, 12:08 PM   #12
Senior Member
 
Tony Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Peru heading for Brasilia, Brazil
Posts: 2,117
Mine sits outside. Change the oil. I winterize it using compressed air, put blocks under the jacks to within 1/2" and dump the air so most weight is off the tyres, have the solar set up so it keeps both batteries charged, saturate the area with heaps of rat bait - and leave it for up to 18 months.
__________________
Tony Lee - International Grey Nomad. Picasa Album - Travel Map
RVs. USA - Airstream Cutter; in Australia - MC8 40' DIY Coach conversion & OKA 4x4 MH; in Germany - Hobby Class C; in S America - F350 with 2500 10.6 Bigfoot camper
Tony Lee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2015, 12:14 PM   #13
Senior Member
 
Tony Lee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Peru heading for Brasilia, Brazil
Posts: 2,117
Quote:
Originally Posted by sbleiweiss View Post
I see this said (exercise the generator under load) all the time but don't understand why. I am not necessarily disagreeing, but would like to hear an explanation why under load is important. My observations that make me wonder are: 1) my home back-up generator automatically exercises once a week but doesn't do it under load (designed that way by the manufacturer); and 2: my MH generator does get up to operating temperature without being under load.

Many large engines take a long time to warm up unless under load.
Any commercial generator I've been associated with exercises it at least once a month to make sure it still works and the rats haven't taken up residence AND it is either connected to the actual load, or a dummy load is installed to make sure it gets up to full operating temperature. Also recharges the batteries plus getting it normal operating temperature and supplying electricity stress tests all components.
__________________
Tony Lee - International Grey Nomad. Picasa Album - Travel Map
RVs. USA - Airstream Cutter; in Australia - MC8 40' DIY Coach conversion & OKA 4x4 MH; in Germany - Hobby Class C; in S America - F350 with 2500 10.6 Bigfoot camper
Tony Lee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2015, 07:03 PM   #14
Senior Member
 
bigdaddy5120's Avatar
 
Thor Owners Club
Ford Super Duty Owner
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 262
Quote:
Originally Posted by sbleiweiss View Post
I see this said (exercise the generator under load) all the time but don't understand why. I am not necessarily disagreeing, but would like to hear an explanation why under load is important. My observations that make me wonder are: 1) my home back-up generator automatically exercises once a week but doesn't do it under load (designed that way by the manufacturer); and 2: my MH generator does get up to operating temperature without being under load.
My Onan says to run an hour and put half load on it monthly. see page 9. You should have the same as me .
Attached Files
File Type: pdf 983-0101.pdf (1.74 MB, 12 views)
__________________

__________________
2014 Thor Challenger 37KT
2013 Ford Edge FWD
Ready Brute Elite
bigdaddy5120 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
engine, storage



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Starting or deep cycle and starting battery Crankshaft Class A Motorhome Discussions 7 08-18-2015 07:36 PM
Advice on engine removal '95 Seabreeze Snorin National RV Owner's Forum 15 11-01-2014 06:14 PM
Jamestown Engine Plant Celebrates Anniversary with Cummins DriVer RV Industry Press 0 08-09-2014 09:26 PM
The Doggone Yellow Check Engine Light (C.E.L.) troth Winnebago Industries Owner's Forum 1 05-06-2014 10:05 AM
Starting engine coop2.0 Fleetwood Products Owner's Forum 11 04-12-2014 09:53 AM

» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:29 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.