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Old 07-11-2018, 02:12 PM   #1
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Stupid engineers or??

How about stupid buyers? Most folks here feel that a 20-40000 pound motorhome should accelerate like a Corvette, handle like a Porsche, and have the fuel economy of a Prius. They know nothing about how these things are constructed and the whys and wherefores about why things are the way they are. Buying a motorhome is not about how fancy the paint job is and how momma likes the interior floorplan. Some manufacturers do a better job than others, and if you take your time and look underneath and inside of things, you will see whether it's built well or thrown together. In any case, none of them are perfect, so do your homework. If you bought it and find that it is far less than you expected, then shame on you. Don't blame the engineers.
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Spoken like you don't have a clue. Why use the forum to attack those that may not have known better and found out the hard way.
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Old 07-11-2018, 02:24 PM   #3
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Sounds like the OP just might be an engineer?
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Believe the point is to make people look stuff over better so that every post isn't about 'where is'.......and to read the manuals....
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Majority of RVs are same...put together quickly on a production line by so-so skilled labor force and NO true quality control at factory level...that is left to dealership IF and if not to the consumer.


Sure there are less issues in the HIGH END rigs........but they still have problems also
And they use the same components...AquaHot, Oasis, Atwood, Suburban, Shurflo, Aquajet, Norcold, Dometic, Coleman, etc etc etc


Majority of folks getting into RV do not have the $$$$$ to buy HIGH END



And engineers are part of problem.......when you have to disassemble several components to gain access to the one that broke down is poor engineering.
Engineers should have to work repair/assemble line before being allowed to 'engineer' anything
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Engineers are given a design and price point to hit, they figure it from there. Then construction takes over and have to meet production schedules. Most Rv product lines are very price competitive because of the buyers demands for gloss over quality. If like a typical Rv over you use your rig for two weeks or so per year or you park it at the local lake for the summer, quality may of matter as much. If you use it a lots then I’d start at the quality of the frame and move up from there. IMO the betterbuilt RVs have in-house made frames and not from a standard source.
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I agree with your comments, except I would say anyone designs something difficult to service may not be truly qualified as an engineer except by title. The market place tends to sort itself out over time. I agree not everyone can afford high end products, but should expect quality and long life in accordance to cost. We bought a higher end Rv used at a price we could afford. We may be buying a second smaller Rv to compliment our Excel for some trips, but it will be a higher end used model as well.
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Just think do they really want you the owner to repair it no they do not they want you to bring it to them!
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Design and accessibility is no different in the auto industry, except with tighter quality control. Ever try changing the spark plugs on a Jeep or the engine mount on a Nissan Maxima? I spent two hours removing stuff to get to the engine mount, which was then a ten minute change out, then two hours putting it back together. Cars have gotten harder and harder for the average mechanic to work on.
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With everything they install on todays RV's there isn't really enough room to make every thing accessible. The bigger they make them the more "goodies" they install. There is only so much space to utilize.

Auto makes are no better. The AC in our Honda CRV just had to be repaired. Honda installed the expansion valve in a place where it takes 3 hours to R and R it. $390 labor to replace a $40 part.
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I do agree that anyone designing something, regardless if they are a degreed Mech Eng or a Cad Designer, they should have to spend 90 days on the line, maybe 30 days on the installation side but the last 60 on the service side. They'll learn a ton of what not to do there and how to improve serviceability.
AND I do agree that people should sit down and read the manuals, at least once, so they know what is in them. I realize that the Owners Guide is somewhat generic but if you never read it you'll never know what is in it. Mine is actually pretty informative about the coach.
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I worked in service at a GMC dealership for 14 years. I referred to the "owners manual" as the "do not read book".
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Go to a RV production facility. 20 min per station. 5 min to move to the next. 8 QC stations? Where? Every next RV different than the last. I would not like to be in their shoes. Too many variables. Never enough time.
Just waiting for a Asian company to start production. Then you'll see quality improve.
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I worked on yachts when i was younger. One time we had an issue with a black holding tank and had to remove it. Problem was that the builder laid the hull, then put the tanks in and proceeded to build the boat. No way to remove it without a saw. Argh!
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