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Old 06-01-2016, 12:03 AM   #169
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The factory offered gas chassis will only improve when there is some competition...that is NOT what we have now.

There was a day before the recession when you could pick the Workhorse option...albeit a $5,000 option (8.1L and 6speed Allison...more than 8 years before Ford finally gave-in to offer their new 6speed). And even now NADA gives identical RV's a $3,500 price perk if they have the Workhorse chassis.

Well, Workhorse is now making commercial/delivery chassis with electric drives...not so good for RV's.
So...everyone out there in the InterWeb needs to send good vibrations toward Spartan to build the Extol and Revel:
See: Spartan Chassis
The big one...8.8L PSI gas V8! And possibly an airbag front suspension (and why not?!).

I believe there's room in the market for it...but that's just my opinion.

In the mean time, owners can tune the ECM, add a performance intake and exhaust, and even get an air-ride in the aftermarket...and with all these things, still cheaper than a Diesel (plus no DEF/DPF furnace hanging under the rig ) That's what we are doing...Keldermann air ride for the front end is on my wish list

Safe gas powered travels
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The factory offered gas chassis will only improve when there is some competition...that is NOT what we have now.

There was a day before the recession when you could pick the Workhorse option...albeit a $5,000 option (8.1L and 6speed Allison...more than 8 years before Ford finally gave-in to offer their new 6speed). And even now NADA gives identical RV's a $3,500 price perk if they have the Workhorse chassis.

Well, Workhorse is now making commercial/delivery chassis with electric drives...not so good for RV's.
So...everyone out there in the InterWeb needs to send good vibrations toward Spartan to build the Extol and Revel:
See: Spartan Chassis
The big one...8.8L PSI gas V8! And possibly an airbag front suspension (and why not?!).

I believe there's room in the market for it...but that's just my opinion.

In the mean time, owners can tune the ECM, add a performance intake and exhaust, and even get an air-ride in the aftermarket...and with all these things, still cheaper than a Diesel (plus no DEF/DPF furnace hanging under the rig ) That's what we are doing...Keldermann air ride for the front end is on my wish list

Safe gas powered travels
I still think the smaller coach with the p30 independent front suspension would be a great bring back for the smaller coaches... I remember the 29'rs no slide out.. vortec motors road nice and were quiet...

I never have liked the fords over the chevy and workhorse chassis

when workhorse first took over I got one of the first ones where the widened the front suspension ... loved that coach...

I never have liked any of the chassis 's with the straight axel front... to me they all are under or over sprung
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Old 06-01-2016, 11:27 AM   #171
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Maybe next you could post a test drive with a "G" meter. That would be informative and scientific. You know "iron versus air". Forget what you think you feel, but have a "meter" tell you how smooth it is. Whole new area for your
"measurement of the proper instrument is used..as personal descriptions are meaningless".
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You actually did it..good for you. They need all the input they can get !
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Could you provide some reading while the coach is climbing a 6% grade and the tach pushing about 5K RPM?
I believe there is only a mild difference between a gas coach and a DP at 62 MPH on level ground. The real difference is ascending steep grades.
our old bounder 1997 didn't take 5k rpm to climb a 6% hill, and even at the steepest part of those rare climbs for our 460 V8 was at times no more than 3500 and we could still talk and laugh about who should get out and walk.

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Old 08-07-2016, 02:37 PM   #175
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it's just advanced communication ...being able to give a reference to your statement...

I don't need a thermometer to know it's colder in Alaska than California
makes for a better weather report for those that have never been to Alaska

she's gonna get cold tonight. but not as cold as Alaska...but warmer than Kansas..

this thread isn't for the know it alls, it's more for those that have never driv'n a gas motor home..
Liked the real data vs. opinion. I have a V10 Damon Intruder and bought a Safari Cheeta with the Cat C7. I drove the Damon from Phoenix to AR towing an Escape and drove the Safari to TX and back. The gasser was totally acceptable as far as sound. I does not handle as well as the diesel. Air bags, heavier wt. make a difference. So does oil change $600 for C7 vs. $150 for gaser. Both get about 8mpg. First cost: Safari a couple of yrs. newer, 3ft. longer, 4 slids vs. 2, almost 3 times the cost! Prestige? Maybe. Rational? probably not. Leave the money to the kids? They don't really need it. But, that's the curse of an engineers education.
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?... oil change $600 for C7 vs. $150 for gaser.

Sounds like you are paying very high prices for oil changes.

Speedco will change oil and filter plus lube chassis for $199.99 on a DIESEL

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Sounds like you are paying very high prices for oil changes.

Speedco will change oil and filter plus lube chassis for $199.99 on a DIESEL

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Maybe that came with a rv wash and hand wax?
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And how often do you change a Dap vs a gasser?
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And how often do you change a Dap vs a gasser?

Most diesels specify 15,000 miles or one year oil changes (whichever comes first)
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The factory offered gas chassis will only improve when there is some competition...that is NOT what we have now.

There was a day before the recession when you could pick the Workhorse option...albeit a $5,000 option (8.1L and 6speed Allison...more than 8 years before Ford finally gave-in to offer their new 6speed). And even now NADA gives identical RV's a $3,500 price perk if they have the Workhorse chassis.

Well, Workhorse is now making commercial/delivery chassis with electric drives...not so good for RV's.
So...everyone out there in the InterWeb needs to send good vibrations toward Spartan to build the Extol and Revel:
See: Spartan Chassis
The big one...8.8L PSI gas V8! And possibly an airbag front suspension (and why not?!).

I believe there's room in the market for it...but that's just my opinion.

In the mean time, owners can tune the ECM, add a performance intake and exhaust, and even get an air-ride in the aftermarket...and with all these things, still cheaper than a Diesel (plus no DEF/DPF furnace hanging under the rig ) That's what we are doing...Keldermann air ride for the front end is on my wish list

Safe gas powered travels
I had a Keldermann air ride system put on a F350 (both front and rear) when I was pulling 5th wheels. Keldermann puts together a great system and Mr Keldermann is a fellow RVer. They do have full hook ups at their factory in Iowa and they treated me great.

I miss my old F350 that was all tricked out...... but my Entegra rides better
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My RV history:

1996 Winny class C gas
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2015 ACE 29.3 gas

For me the diesel was quieter than the gas rigs. I think primarily due to the rear vs front placement.

I added a layer of Dynamat and a layer of Dynamat Hood liner to the engine side of the cockpit deck and the doghouse on the 2015 ACE. Material about $350.

DB readings now are about the same in the RV @65 MPH as my 2002 Jeep Grand Cherokee @70 MPH. Engine heat transfer greatly reduced also.

Based on the one DP I have owned, i would probably not purchase another diesel:

1. Acceleration was terrible with the DP
2. Had a couple of engine issues that required going to service center with DP.
3. Diesel not available in 30' and under class A
4. Fueling was more of a hassle with the DP.
5. I can repair most gas engine issues myself, although have not had any yet.
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Sounds like you are paying very high prices for oil changes.

Speedco will change oil and filter plus lube chassis for $199.99 on a DIESEL

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Sounds great! I have no idea where a Speedco is. If I have to travel 2-300 miles to get to one, my $600 local truck shop doesn't sound too bad. PS. I'm in Mountain Home, AR
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