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Old 05-05-2019, 07:44 PM   #1
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Thor drops diesel generator for lithium and solar power on its flagship.

I know some like Thor and I know many don't, so let's set that aside for a mo. What do you think about droping the diesel genny for lithium and solar power?

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https://newatlas.com/tuscany-generat...concept/59029/
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If a genny's well cared for it will usually last the life of a coach. I don't know about those battery packs. Wonder what it would cost to replace them? I'll keep the genny.
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The only thing i remember from that articles is 7 figure price tag


"The Tuscany Lithium didn't have a pricing sheet inside because it's a one-off concept with a number of features that may or may not ever see production. That said, Thor mentions more than once that certain features are what you'd expect from a seven-figure motorhome."
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Given Tesla's track record with lithium ion batteries and the many resulting "carbecues" 🔥, I'd be extremely hesitant to sleep in an RV with a couple of them underneath the rig. I'll stick to the tried and true technologies.
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I would not buy one without a generator. Even with the advances in chemistry the power density of lithium still has a long way to go to match that of diesel or gasoline fuel generator.

Granted you don't see many if any Tuscany rigs boondocking but a generator offers a lot more flexibility. Is there enough capacity to run a roof A/C for an a few hours when on the road traveling west ward in July with the sun in your eyes? What about the induction cooktop?
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Genny is not a thor product. I wouldn't be without one. Not into the solar stuff.
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The technology works. It's safe. But not perfect. I have solar and lithium. I would not be without my genset.
Lithium and solar will not power your 2 or even 3 ACs over night or when the sun is not full strength. If I need to be cool I need my genset. Simple as that.
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Why only one version of a diesel invertor generator.
Seen version of this fuel cell. If I remember right NASA engineer changed the way a fuel would work after his project was scrapped. Makes electricity from natural gas . Probably work with propane. Maybe one a 5 to 10k watt fuel cell.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theweek...el-cell-future
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The only thing i remember from that articles is 7 figure price tag


"The Tuscany Lithium didn't have a pricing sheet inside because it's a one-off concept with a number of features that may or may not ever see production. That said, Thor mentions more than once that certain features are what you'd expect from a seven-figure motorhome."
I guess they're trying to break into (for them) a new market. With their rep. that's pretty audacious. I would have applied it to the Entegra 1st, but hey that's just me speculating.
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Given Tesla's track record with lithium ion batteries and the many resulting "carbecues" 🔥, I'd be extremely hesitant to sleep in an RV with a couple of them underneath the rig. I'll stick to the tried and true technologies.
Where did you get that "Track record" from?

About 174,000 vehicle fires were reported in the United States in 2015, the most recent year for which statistics are available from the National Fire Protection Association. Virtually all of those fires involved gasoline powered cars. That works out to about one every three minutes.
Fact is when a tesla catches fire it's all over the news and a world disaster, but when a gasoline car catches fire it's hardly reported.
I'm not makeing an argument FOR or Against EV's and Teslas, just laying out facts. Which do I prefer? Well for now I'll stick with my Diesel Genny, but my options are open for newer technology. Maybe 7-10 yrs down the road.
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I would not buy one without a generator. Even with the advances in chemistry the power density of lithium still has a long way to go to match that of diesel or gasoline fuel generator.

Granted you don't see many if any Tuscany rigs boondocking but a generator offers a lot more flexibility. Is there enough capacity to run a roof A/C for an a few hours when on the road traveling west ward in July with the sun in your eyes? What about the induction cooktop?
From what I understand the capacity is there and, there are 3 ways to charge this "Battery pack." I think they said the rig has an additional 58V alternator that charges or keeps the "Battery pack" charged while driving down the road. Then you can charge it with shore power at the CG. Then/or the 300V solar panels on the roof.
I was dissapointed by the fact that it would not last as long as my 10k genny before it needs to be recharged, but then again, to me that wouldn't matter much because we don't boondock or dry camp.
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Nope...The sun doesn't always shine 12 hours a day..........Will stick with a genset and continue turning dead dinosaurs into smoke and noise....
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Why only one version of a diesel invertor generator.
Seen version of this fuel cell. If I remember right NASA engineer changed the way a fuel would work after his project was scrapped. Makes electricity from natural gas . Probably work with propane. Maybe one a 5 to 10k watt fuel cell.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theweek...el-cell-future
No doubt. If they can produce one finacially viable for us mere mortals and bring down the temperature to 300 degrees, I think it would work...more likely for the millenials who are starting to get into RV'ing. But I can see this happening in 5-10 yrs.
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It's not just Tesla, but they have been the brand most affected by fires in vehicles.

Lithium ion batteries have also caused fires in laptop computers, cell phones, cameras, hoverboards, kids' remote controlled toys, and even e-cigarettes. The vast majority of these use relatively small batteries, and the resulting fires are usually easily contained.

Not so with vehicles, which use sizable banks of batteries. Just one example of the intensity of a Tesla fire in Shanghai last month - - https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/s...7&action=click

I don't know about anybody else, but I'd prefer not to be sleeping in the confines of an RV if an intense fire like that broke out in its battery bank.

Throw cut-rate cheaply produced, poorly engineered lithium ion batteries into the mix, and you've got a disaster waiting to happen.
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