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Old 02-17-2007, 06:31 PM   #1
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My wife and I went to the Chicago (suburban) RV Show this week and really liked the Tiffin models we saw there, and were intrigued with the Front Engine Diesel.

Any information you can share about Tiffin and/or FRED would be appreciated.

Thank you.
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My wife and I went to the Chicago (suburban) RV Show this week and really liked the Tiffin models we saw there, and were intrigued with the Front Engine Diesel.

Any information you can share about Tiffin and/or FRED would be appreciated.

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Old 02-17-2007, 07:16 PM   #3
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Tiffin appears to have a stellar reputation regarding customer support after the sale, especially from the factory folks in Red Bay, AL. The willingness of the CEO, Bob Tiffin, to make himself available to customers is legendary.

I know of at least one new Allegro Bay Fred purchased by the son of one of my employees. He recently drove it from CA to VA and had no problems with the rig, said engine noise was not an issue, and averaged 11.2 mpg on the trip.
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Old 02-18-2007, 06:04 AM   #4
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We were at the Tiffin factory in Red Bay in May of 2006. They had recently expanded their plant to 2 assembly lines, one for gas (Allegro and Allegro Bay) and one for diesel (Phaeton, Allegro Bus, and Zeyphr). When we were there, they said they were assembling both gas and diesel on the line originally intended for gas only. Obviously, this was because of the FRED. It appeared almost half the Allegro Bays were being built on the FRED chassis. Tiffin seems to be finding great success with FRED.

HERE is a link to a review of a 37QDB Allegro Bay on the FRED chassis from Motorhome Magazine.
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The FRED owners on the TiffinrvNetwork forum are very happy with their FREDs. As soon as my local dealer got them in they sold 5 within a matter of two weeks. They do offer a few advantages over a gas chassis. The FRED has much more torque and the engine revs are down compared to a gas engine. The fuel economy is up, with many owners claiming in the 11 MPG range. The Cummins ISB sits real low in the frame so all the noise blows by underneath the coach floor rather than next to your ear. The noise is less at highway speeds and slightly more at idle when you're not moving. The doghouse is virtually nonexistent as it's just a small shoe box underneath the dash overhang. Looking underneath the unit I found the chassis to be well constructed, heavier duty than a gasser chassis and the 26K GVW gives you plenty of cargo carrying capacity. Overall the FRED is a huge improvement from attempts at front engined diesels in the late 90s.

While it's not in the same league as a diesel pusher, it's certainly not priced that high either. The FRED upcharge over a gasser is minimal. Tiffin has done very well with the Allegro Bay FRED and as of this year are offering the FRED under a few entry level Allegros also. That makes diesel torque and economy very affordable with end user pricing right around $90,000. It's a great way to bridge the gap between gassers and diesel pushers.
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All the early owner reports I have seen are positive. Looks like a winner!
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YO DriVer, looks like the FRED ain't dead.......
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