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03-26-2019, 08:03 AM
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Tire balancing
Has anyone had any experience with a product called. Equal Balance? It is beads that you put in your tires to balance them. This has been recommended as replace to conventional tire balancing
Thank
Gary
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03-26-2019, 08:18 AM
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Tire balancing is one of the biggest consumer scams out there. Balancing is not needed unless you have a known vibration issue or drive over 80 MPH regularly. It's right up there with rotating tires.
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03-26-2019, 08:32 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Idrathrbsail
Has anyone had any experience with a product called. Equal Balance? It is beads that you put in your tires to balance them. This has been recommended as replace to conventional tire balancing
Thank
Gary
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Buy the best quality tires.
Have them mounted by a reputable dealer.
Or do it yourself if you feel qualified and have the equipment.
Very seldom do quality tires on good wheels on a well maintained vehicle, properly alligned front end.
Need balanced.
After you drive a little you may have one or so tires that need attention.
But very seldom I have found.
I work with companies that run 30 plus semis
And they are top notch for quality tires and servicing vehicles.
No balancing needed 99 percent of the time.
No beads or anything else.
Not to say I havent tried them in the past 50 years.
Some cheap tires you cant balance some tire guys tell me.
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03-26-2019, 09:15 AM
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Hi ! Welcome to IRV2! We're sure glad you joined the gang!
Just noticed you are kinda new on IRV2 and wanted to say hello!
I use beads for balancing in all our tires. I had thought that Equal was some kind of powder that required replacing the valve cores.
Good luck, happy trails, and God bless!
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03-26-2019, 10:15 AM
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I just purchased 6 firestone561 tires and they did a spin balance and no beads.they do not care for them. I use beads on my motorcycle and they are fine.
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03-26-2019, 10:17 AM
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American Coach Owners Club
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I am surprised by the responses because i am in the same camp as others.
I do not have my tires balanced on the RV.
The tires are in good shape, the tire mounter is very careful to clean the rim seating area of all gunk, (technical word there)
The front suspension is in good shape.
The rims are in good shape.
Tire mounter, a large commercial truck service company near me, is also of same opinion.
On this RV that has worked fine -- no vibrations, no uneven wear.
thx Dale
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03-26-2019, 10:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by scooter 750
I just purchased 6 firestone561 tires and they did a spin balance and no beads.they do not care for them. :
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You can reuse the beeds so no they do not care for them. Last ten 22.5 tires installed without balancing and no vibration.
20 years ago (before beeds) I had a set of a Good?Years on a MH that you could not keep balanced. May explain why they liked to blowout.
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03-26-2019, 11:46 AM
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I've used Equal in all the tires of my last coach, multiple sets over 12 years, and never had a complaint.
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03-26-2019, 01:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by grindstone01
Tire balancing is one of the biggest consumer scams out there. Balancing is not needed unless you have a known vibration issue or drive over 80 MPH regularly. It's right up there with rotating tires.
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Is that so?
Well, I guess I've been scammed for well over 55 years of driving and at least oh, maybe around 30 - 40 cars, trucks, motorcycles, motorhomes etc. that really didn't need any weights on the tires huh? Hmmm.
As for the OP and balancing beads or powders, well, it's all a matter of choice. I myself have not been a fan of the beads or powders for eons. But, I thought just for the heck of it, I'll try the beads in our present coach, an '04 Itasca Horizon 36GD with the CAT C-7 330HP and, running 265 75 Yokohama RY-103s. So far, in over a year and oh, about 3-4K miles of driving, all seems well with them.
Scott
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03-26-2019, 01:46 PM
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I have used beads, spin balance and nothing. With all of the vehicles i have had since my first car 60 years ago, I'll spin balance where I can and beads where I don't want to. What works best for me is to spin balance the steer tires and beads in the drive and tag. Beads are cheap and can be reused at replacement time.
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03-26-2019, 02:19 PM
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I'm with you Fire up, always have them balanced, drove an owned an 18 wheeler for years, always had them balanced, I've seen what happens to unbalanced tires. Jack up you wheels, and release the brakes, if the tire always stops at the same place when you spin it, it is heavy at that point.
Just my opinion, yours may vary.
Hey Fire up also noted you are a ham, N0LZS here, 73's
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03-26-2019, 03:24 PM
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Shops pushing beads don't have the equipment to balance them properly.
My experience with balance beads was bad.
I bought the MH with 7 year old tires. During one trip I thought I felt an irregular tire on startup from a light. After a few miles per hour, the feeling went away. On the highway all felt fine.
After feeling it a few times, I drove into a truck tire dealer to have them checked. We pulled the front tires, broke them down and out spilled the beads. We also saw that the tire was suffering from cord separation.
The beads kept balancing my out of round, failing tire. Call it luck, but if I didn't stop to have them checked, I could have had a blowout on either front tire.
No beads or external self balancers for me. Spin balance only.
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03-26-2019, 07:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FIRE UP
Is that so?
Well, I guess I've been scammed for well over 55 years of driving and at least oh, maybe around 30 - 40 cars, trucks, motorcycles, motorhomes etc. that really didn't need any weights on the tires huh? Hmmm.
Scott
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I was a believer in tire balancing myself until about 20 years ago when I stopped balancing my tires (I used to mount my own tires) and it made no difference. This includes cars, trucks, trailers and even many sets of tires on my last 3 motorcycles. That includes my GL1500 with 100k miles and GL1800 with 35k miles, replacement tires were not balanced. Try your next set of tires unbalanced and you might be surprised like I have been. If you think about it, stones lodged in the thread or a tire patch/plug will change your perfect tire balance anyway.
Tire manufacturing has come along way since the 1940's.
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03-26-2019, 07:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by grindstone01
I was a believer in tire balancing myself until about 20 years ago when I stopped balancing my tires (I used to mount my own tires) and it made no difference. This includes cars, trucks, trailers and even many sets of tires on my last 3 motorcycles. That includes my GL1500 with 100k miles and GL1800 with 35k miles, replacement tires were not balanced. Try your next set of tires unbalanced and you might be surprised like I have been. If you think about it, stones lodged in the thread or a tire patch/plug will change your perfect tire balance anyway.
Tire manufacturing has come along way since the 1940's.
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Well Sir,
I have tried it, several times and, very, very seldom are tires PERFECT from the factory. I'm no expert, not even close. But, why would the tire industry put so much into balancing if they put out perfect tires? I've had shaking and vibration in steering wheels, seats, body and more then, took the vehicle down and had the balance checked (on relatively new tires and, yep, one or more needed balancing. All the shakes and vibrations gone.
On occasion, a tire can be made OUT OF ROUND too. You can balance an EGG all day long, it's still an egg. So yes, while you may have been fortunate to receive more than the average of "perfect" tires, the rest of us have needed to balance about 98% of the tires we've purchased for the last few decades.
And yes, my Goldwing tires are both balanced. I can most definitely feel the imbalance there. I've been with people in their cars that, their steering wheel was shaking, not violently but, still shaking. I told them they have front tires out of balance. They're reply: "Are you sure" ? I said, if you got them at Discount, have them check it the next time you're around the store. They did, the tires or tire, was out of balance. They didn't realize that it was that bad 'till they drove it after the situation was corrected.
Now, if you don't feel like balancing, don't, no one's forcing anything here.
Scott
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