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DWRichard · 11-08-2017, 05:44 PM

I follow rules that make sense.

First, the staties would need to have a reason for piling me over. Not knowing whether I have chains on board isn’t sufficient. Then, they’d have to prove that an absence of chains on a dry road in clear weather conditions constitutes a safety hazard.

They can issue the ticket all they want.

I’ll still beat the rap.

And btw, I wouldn’t drive in a snow zone that had actual snow, because I’m not going to ever be near snow again for the rest of my life. That’s what the motor home is for.

AITG · 11-08-2017, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DWRichard

I follow rules that make sense.

First, the staties would need to have a reason for piling me over. Not knowing whether I have chains on board isn’t sufficient. Then, they’d have to prove that an absence of chains on a dry road in clear weather conditions constitutes a safety hazard.

They can issue the ticket all they want.

I’ll still beat the rap.

And btw, I wouldn’t drive in a snow zone that had actual snow, because I’m not going to ever be near snow again for the rest of my life. That’s what the motor home is for.

That's up to you...and it sounds like you aren't going to be around mountains in the spring/winter/fall, which solves your problem.
For the rest of us, mountain weather is unpredictable. It can be sunny and dry on one side of the Eisenhower tunnel and snowing like a bear on the other. If you assume that the road will be clear and dry because it looks good where you are, good luck.
Once in a while there's a good reason for a law. Chain laws are a good idea. OTOH, my son in law made a good living towing people over Vail pass who didn't need chains. Wreckers aren't cheap there (nothing is cheap in Vail) and neither is the ticket.
Your choice.

vsheetz · 11-08-2017, 06:50 PM

I carry chains for 'chain law' States. Have no intention of ever putting them on. Instead will just hole up somewhere till weather clears.

Bought at NAPA auto parts.

hohenwald48 · 11-08-2017, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DWRichard

I follow rules that make sense.

First, the staties would need to have a reason for piling me over. Not knowing whether I have chains on board isn’t sufficient. Then, they’d have to prove that an absence of chains on a dry road in clear weather conditions constitutes a safety hazard.

They can issue the ticket all they want.

I’ll still beat the rap.

And btw, I wouldn’t drive in a snow zone that had actual snow, because I’m not going to ever be near snow again for the rest of my life. That’s what the motor home is for.

So you only follow the laws you agree with and want to follow? You gotta love all the rough and tough internet lawyers.

DWRichard · 11-09-2017, 09:41 AM

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So you only follow the laws you agree with and want to follow? You gotta love all the rough and tough internet lawyers.

Yes. Your point? I’m not a sheep. Nor am I a lawyer, but I have successfully argued in court when a bad law is attempting to be enforced, and I’ve won.

Tell me truthfully. Do you never exceed the speed limit?

DWRichard · 11-09-2017, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by AITG

If you assume that the road will be clear and dry because it looks good where you are, good luck..

I never assume anything. I plan. I research.

Everything.

I leave assumptions to lesser humans

deputybubba · 11-09-2017, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DWRichard

Yes. Your point? I’m not a sheep. Nor am I a lawyer, but I have successfully argued in court when a bad law is attempting to be enforced, and I’ve won.

Tell me truthfully. Do you never exceed the speed limit?

AND you may 'beat' the ticket you got, but will it be worth the 1/2 day you spend in court ?
And you may not beat it, depending on the judge...

Being successful previously does not guarantee future success.

Mr_D · 11-09-2017, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by apatz

Cheap insurance!

On my Country Coach I couldn’t get chains on mine with a shoe horn. Not nearly enough clearance.

Same here!

Dick1142 · 11-09-2017, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_D

WA REQUIRES you to carry chains that fit your rig if going over some of the passes here, whether you need/use them or not. Anything with a GVWR (NOT GCVWR) of 10,000#'s or more is affected.

Not just the passes, but other roads such as HWY 14 through the Columbia River Gorge.

DWRichard · 11-09-2017, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by deputybubba

AND you may 'beat' the ticket you got, but will it be worth the 1/2 day you spend in court ?

And you may not beat it, depending on the judge...

Being successful previously does not guarantee future success.

It’s always worth the time to prove I’m not a sheep.

MikeyRVNW · 11-09-2017, 12:50 PM

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It’s always worth the time to prove I’m not a sheep.

Never ceases to amaze me the people who post on a topic that have no business doing so and then want to argue their irrelevant point.

This law is not a bad law. It in place to protect all of those that drive the mountain passes. It was in acted because of the number of people getting into incidents by not being prepared. The weather can be unpredictable. Certainly storms can be predicted, but it can snow anytime up there. The only time you are stopped to ask about traction devices is when they are required. If you are stopped for another reason you may be asked but getting a ticket for not having them is probably more of your attitude in responding.

The most dangerous drivers are the ones that choose not to be prepared or those that simply disregard the law that they don't agree with. I've lived in Oregon all my life. I've also sat for hours waiting for an accident to be cleared. Usually caused by people driving too fast and not having traction devices.

If you are fortunate enough to not have to travel in winter weather areas or can sit out a storm that is great. Don't assume everyone can do that.

This thread is about recommendations for chains.

I find the Autosocks interesting and need to see if they are legal here and the places I will travel.

Is there anyone that drives winter weather and actually uses chains that has a recommendation?

Not chaining up at times will not be an option for me this winter.

DWRichard · 11-09-2017, 02:50 PM

Any law that doesn’t require the officer to think is a bad law.

MikeyRVNW · 11-09-2017, 02:56 PM

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Any law that doesn’t require the officer to think is a bad law.

Any person that comes on to this forum do be argumentative has no place here!

saddlesore · 11-09-2017, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DWRichard

I would dare them to write me a ticket for not having chains on dry roads and fair conditions.

And I’d beat that rap.

NOPE.... I was a jurist on a trial for not carrying tire chains in November of last year in Oregon....The law is the law here! There are no exemptions.
Guy from TX lost the case big time .. then got a bit mouthy with the judge & jury after the jury's decision was announced.. so got 90 days because of that....on top of the fine and court costs..
You might want to just stay out of the states that enforce their winter travel laws..
And yes I carry a set of singles.... but no way to safely mount them without fearing damage to the coach & suspension if I ever used them.(outboard air bags all around)