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Old 05-27-2011, 08:17 PM   #29
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They may be a sticker in a cabinet somewhere that has the towing amount without brakes in your MH.

My Freightliner XC chassis has one in the closet, that says. Have brakes on anything that weights more then 1,000 lb towed behind the MH.
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Old 05-28-2011, 09:43 AM   #30
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They may be a sticker in a cabinet somewhere that has the towing amount without brakes in your MH.

My Freightliner XC chassis has one in the closet, that says. Have brakes on anything that weights more then 1,000 lb towed behind the MH.
No, I have done many searches, they are not there. Those stickers may have been removed by a previous owner. Carpet covers the outside walls up to the driver's side window. I had all the carpet replaced and there was no sign of the stickers. I do not not know if the carpet was OEM or remodeled by a previous owner.

I asked, on another forum, if anyone had a coach like mine, 1997 Beaver Marquis, and could give the me info from those stickers. I got no response.

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All my stickers are missing. you said, "the GCWR (with a definition)", what is the definition of GCWR?

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This is verbatim off the Spartan sticker:


"GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating) means the maximum allowable loaded weight of this motor home and any towed trailer or towed vehicle"

Here's another definition that is in the MH's brochure:

"GCWR is the value specified by the MH manufacturer as the maximum allowable loaded weight of this MH with it's towed vehicle."
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Cliff, I'm with Cat320. That is how I read it too. I had a similar situation with towing my 5K mini van but am only around 19 GVWR. I figured I would take 1K off my chassis and add it to my towing capacity. I figured if my old 97 F-53 could tow my van, my much better designed and built 2006 F-53 could too.
That is what I thought. Thanks for the info.

I certainly didn't mean to stir up a hornet's nest about supplemental braking. In fact I didn't even mention it in my post. With that said, I have planned from the start to use one and I will regardless of legal requirements or lack thereof.
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This is verbatim off the Spartan sticker:


"GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating) means the maximum allowable loaded weight of this motor home and any towed trailer or towed vehicle"

Here's another definition that is in the MH's brochure:

"GCWR is the value specified by the MH manufacturer as the maximum allowable loaded weight of this MH with it's towed vehicle."
That's my understanding. Now the big question, do you need, not want, a supplemental braking system if you do not exceed your GCWR?

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I have a Beaver Marquis, there is no towing capacity specified. I had a 1994 CC Concept and a 2002 HR Endeavor. Not specified. What do you have that specifies no more than 1000# or 1500# without an auxiliary breaking system? I think I heard or read somewhere that those are Canadian requirements.

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You don't say what year your Marquis is but the towing capacity of my Beaver is clearly stated on the manufacturer's information "plaque" which is mounted on the wall behind the driver's seat. Your towing capacity is the difference between the GVWR and the GCVWR.

I believe all 2-axle Beavers had tow ratings of 5,000 lbs which was increased to 10,000 with a tag axle.

Although the subject of supplemental braking is a hotly debated one, IMHO it is worth having a system that can most definitely improve your safety regardless of whether or not it is required.
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We are beating a dead horse here. Tow capacity for ALL vehicles is the same...GCWR minus the weight of the tow vehicle when ready to tow or the capacity of the hitch, whichever is less.
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