Go Back   iRV2 Forums > MOTORHOME FORUMS > Class A Motorhome Discussions
Click Here to Login
Join iRV2 Today

Mission Statement: Supporting thoughtful exchange of knowledge, values and experience among RV enthusiasts.
Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on iRV2
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 05-14-2014, 10:38 AM   #15
Senior Member
 
tomk52's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Sedalia, CO
Posts: 111
John,

I'm in the process of taking the same beating as you. My 35G is optioned out the same as yours and I'm trading for a 2014 Newmar. If it makes you feel better, I'm only getting 90K for my 35G. I've been trying to sell on my own for $104,900 or best offer. So far I've had zero offers. I will try to sell it for another month and if it doesn't sell I'll just have to suck it up and enjoy our new coach.
__________________

__________________
Tom and Christy
US Army (Retired)
2014 Dutch Star 4038
tomk52 is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 RV Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

iRV2.com RV Community - Are you about to start a new improvement on your RV or need some help with some maintenance? Do you need advice on what products to buy? Or maybe you can give others some advice? No matter where you fit in you'll find that iRV2 is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with other RV owners, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create an RV blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 05-14-2014, 11:30 AM   #16
Senior Member
 
Ray,IN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: North America somewhere
Posts: 13,699
Factory options purchased, and aftermarket upgrades made to an RV, are exactly like an auto at trade-in time, they have no added value to the make/model. I know it's tough to swallow but it's a fact.
__________________

__________________
2000 Winnebago Ultimate Freedom USQ40JD, ISC 8.3 Cummins 350, Spartan MM Chassis. USA 1SG, retired;PPA,Good Sam Life member,FMCA."We the people are the rightful masters of both the Congress and the Courts - not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution. "Abraham Lincoln"
Ray,IN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2014, 11:51 AM   #17
Senior Member
 
Workhorse Chassis Owner
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Palisade CO
Posts: 3,562
I don't care how the dealer fiddles with the numbers you are only going to get a trade in value close to or less than wholesale and he won't consider options as adding value. People in business buy at wholesale and sell at retail. That is why you should never worry about the trade in value as such but instead concentrate on the difference - the money you will pay out (or finance). I would get the wholesale value (used to be about 70% of average retail), knock 25 % off the retail value of the rig you want to buy and subtract the wholesale value from the remaining number. Shoot to get that difference or less.
__________________
Clay WA5NMR - Ex Snowbird - 1 year, Ex Full timer for 11 years - 2004 Winnebago Sightseer 35N Workhorse chassis. Honda Accord toad.
Clay L is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2014, 11:57 AM   #18
Senior Member
 
Tom N's Avatar
 
Winnebago Owners Club
Pond Piggies Club
Appalachian Campers
Mid Atlantic Campers
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Sarver, PA/Crystal River, FL/Shelocta, PA
Posts: 4,604
Trade in value is always WHOLESALE value. No dealer pays more than wholesale for their inventory.
__________________
Sarver, PA/Crystal River, FL/Shelocta, PA FMCA 335149 W3TLN
2005 Suncruiser 38R W24, no chassis mods needed 2013 Honda Accord EX-L 2008 Honda Odyssey EX-L

Tom N is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2014, 12:03 PM   #19
Senior Member
 
akeyzoo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 959
Upon further thought, take the $92K. You wont do better. Too little difference to new. I would imagine most people finance and getting financing on new is likely much easier.

Lock in that documented value and keep negotiating on the new rig.... You should be able to do better then 23% off based on what I have read.

Chris
__________________
------------------------------------
American Revolution 40L CAT C9
Samsung 197, TireMinder, Ready Brute Elite with Wrangler
akeyzoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2014, 12:08 PM   #20
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Western NY
Posts: 2,801
Just one other item to consider is the sales tax. I believe in NC you will pay tax on the difference between new and trade. If you sell outright you will have to make up that difference also. Just one more factor to consider.
__________________
2011 Berkshire 390bh (traded) 2018.5 Entegra Aspire 44R on order
wnytaxman is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2014, 12:21 PM   #21
Senior Member
 
Coma's Avatar
 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: The Emerald Coast
Posts: 1,757
Quote:
Originally Posted by wnytaxman View Post
Just one other item to consider is the sales tax. I believe in NC you will pay tax on the difference between new and trade. If you sell outright you will have to make up that difference also. Just one more factor to consider.
Good Point! I have done a couple of car deals where trade in value was greater than the difference and no sales tax on the deal. Saved saved several $K.
__________________
Jim and Jennie, Cats=Bittles and Potter, 2000 Dynasty 350 ISC
2013 Silverado 4x4 Towed with R1200GS in bed.
PROV23:4 Do not wear yourself out to get rich; have the wisdom to show restraint.
Coma is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2014, 12:54 PM   #22
Senior Member
 
tropical36's Avatar
 
American Coach Owners Club
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: SW Florida
Posts: 1,582
The numbers can be jumbled all over the place, so the difference is what's important and what you have to pay vs what you feel the difference is in value between the two. No matter, how you stack it, you're going to get hurt, so the goal is to make it as painless as possible. I mean you get hurt pretty bad, just from buying new, in the first place, when you consider the depreciation with just getting up from the sales office chair to leave.
__________________
07 Revolution LE 40E_1 1/2 Baths_Spartan MM Chassis_C9 Clatterpillar_ Allison 3000
Dinghy_2010 Jeep Wrangler JKU ISLANDER
1998 36ft. National Tropi-Cal Chevy Model 6350 (SOLD)
tropical36 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2014, 01:04 PM   #23
Senior Member
 
road dogs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: 7S5
Posts: 571
The rule in "investing" in RVs is to buy high and sell low. Pretty hard to avoid unless you get one of those private party "illness forces sale" deals.
__________________
2004.5 GMC SLT CCLB, Ride Rites, Turbo brake, EFI Live
2012 Arctic Fox 29 5T 5th Airborne, B&W, Prodigy
Papillon navigators Lily, Buddy and Willow
road dogs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2014, 07:36 PM   #24
Member
 
BernerDad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Apex, NC
Posts: 89
Buddy Gregg (Knoxville) Experience


Maybe someone can help me with my math....

Buddy Gregg has an Ellipse QD on their website with an MSRP of $391803 and a web special price of $314,274.

So I received the following offer for a deal on my trade.

Discount $35,000
Retail price $356,883
Trade allowance $120,000
Payoff $108,000
Net trade $12,000
Cash down $35,000
Down payment $47,000
Subtotal $309,883

So $356,883 minus the net trade is $344,883.

Now if I accept that the wholesale value of my 35G is actually $92,000 and that I'm $16,000 underwater, I would subtract the 16k for the true offer to sell me what was advertised at $314,214 for the bargain price of $328,883.

Makes sense?

John
__________________
John & Dorene with the Sleeping Dogs - Lexie, Bailey, & Brie (Bernese Mountain Dogs), Chloe (American Eskimo), and Ember (GSD)-2015 American Coach Revolution 42G and 2013 CRV
BernerDad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2014, 10:29 PM   #25
Senior Member
 
1ciderdog's Avatar


 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 4,325
Not to me. Maybe if you explained it a bit different.
__________________
Bob, Sandi & Marmaduke the Big Pug
SW OREGON 2004 Journey 39K, 330 Cat
If towing: a 2006 Mini Cooper or 1995 Wrangler
1ciderdog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2014, 10:47 PM   #26
Senior Member
 
Gordon Dewald's Avatar
 
Winnebago Owners Club
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 10,138
The numbers work the way you have them.

I would check around for a better price. You should be able to find the coach for less than they want with your trade in.
__________________
Gordon and Janet
Tour 42QD/inTech Stacker
Gordon Dewald is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2014, 10:59 PM   #27
Senior Member
 
Davdeb1's Avatar


 
Monaco Owners Club
Freightliner Owners Club
iRV2 No Limits Club
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Avon Lake, Oh
Posts: 2,884
Quote:
Originally Posted by BernerDad View Post
Buddy Gregg (Knoxville) Experience


Maybe someone can help me with my math....

Buddy Gregg has an Ellipse QD on their website with an MSRP of $391803 and a web special price of $314,274.

So I received the following offer for a deal on my trade.

Discount $35,000
Retail price $356,883
Trade allowance $120,000
Payoff $108,000
Net trade $12,000
Cash down $35,000
Down payment $47,000
Subtotal $309,883

So $356,883 minus the net trade is $344,883.

Now if I accept that the wholesale value of my 35G is actually $92,000 and that I'm $16,000 underwater, I would subtract the 16k for the true offer to sell me what was advertised at $314,214 for the bargain price of $328,883.

Makes sense?

John
Not the way the numbers go. If the sales price is 314,000, ask for the difference between the selling price and what they are giving you for the trade. Forget tax, down payment, balance owed on trade.
If you are really getting 92k, the difference should be 222k.
The other details are just used to confuse you. If you only owed 60k would it be a better deal?
__________________
2000 HOLIDAY RAMBLER ENDEAVOR
40 FT--330HP CAT
2 SLIDES-TOAD 2012 focus
Fulltime-Home is where we park it.
Davdeb1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-2014, 03:29 AM   #28
Senior Member
 
bluegrassrv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Leland, NC
Posts: 161
Bill Plemmons in Raleigh, NC had a QD several months back for $297,000. Brand new.
__________________

__________________
2004 Country Coach Intrigue Ovation 525
2007 Chevy Silverado 4x4 toad
http://www.cojobluegrass.com
bluegrassrv is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Help with dealer selling my trade in before I have received my coach that was ordered freen03 iRV2.com General Discussion 31 04-25-2014 02:54 PM
Trade Sites SteveL1948 MH-General Discussions & Problems 4 02-04-2014 03:16 AM
Trade or not to trade? monkiewicz New Member Check-In 13 11-29-2013 03:21 PM

» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:17 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.