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Old 03-19-2015, 03:46 PM   #813
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Been using my WD set-up since 2000 but I don't drill it up to tight. I go one more link from snug. Ride is good and Trailer tracks straight. I've read most of the post on the WD pros and cons and I go with what works for me.
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Been using my WD set-up since 2000 but I don't drill it up to tight. I go one more link from snug. Ride is good and Trailer tracks straight. I've read most of the post on the WD pros and cons and I go with what works for me.
Good response Chuck, although you and I have had this conversation before and pretty much come to the same conclusion.

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Mike- Your right we have or have participated in one. Funny this came up - I'm loading up the Trailer tomorrow and I had given thought on not using the Bars this trip just to compare. Or not !
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I suppose if one experiences any one of the conditions or more........
When Is Weight Distribution Needed?

You would likely benefit from a weight-distribution system if:

  • Your trailer weight (GTW) is more than 50 percent of your vehicle's weight (GVWR)
  • The rear of your tow vehicle sags when the trailer is hooked up - Air ride suspension does not allow this condition, if operating properly.
  • You experience trailer sway
  • Your tow vehicle headlights point upward
  • You find it difficult to steer or stop your rig
  • You want to tow to the highest capacity allowed by your vehicle's trailer hitch setup

Note: To use a weight-distributing system, your trailer hitch must be rated for use with weight distribution. Check the weight rating label on your hitch to make sure that a weight-distributing capacity is listed. If no rating is listed, a weight-distribution system cannot be used.
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I've never seen an NHRA racer pull in to the track with a MH and trailer without a WD setup, ever and we're talking hundreds of them . They don't all have 10 K hitches either.
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Trailers you tow behind your MH / Pictures of the whole rig

By the way my hitch has no stickers on it. It's mounted to the Spartan frame with 4 Bolts on each side and doesn't move when I drop the trailer on . I did pull it off 4 years ago and took it to Rooman to look over the welds all was good- put it back on with 8 new grade 8 bolts.
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Mike- Your right we have or have participated in one. Funny this came up - I'm loading up the Trailer tomorrow and I had given thought on not using the Bars this trip just to compare. Or not !
I've always used the bars...but on the excursion... doesn't seem to make any differance
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I've never seen an NHRA racer pull in to the track with a MH and trailer without a WD setup, ever and we're talking hundreds of them . They don't all have 10 K hitches either.
Exactly Chuck, all the years of racing and I would say 90+ % of them were running a W-D setup, whether sand or asphalt and whether standard tag trailer or stacker, didn't matter. When the wife and I are traveling and pull into a campground is where the "experts" come up to me and tell me I shouldn't be running one.

Just for giggles and grins I have made emergency lane change/manuevers towing with and without and even with a tag axle trailer I can feel a slight difference.

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I've never seen an NHRA racer pull in to the track with a MH and trailer without a WD setup, ever and we're talking hundreds of them . They don't all have 10 K hitches either.
Actually you sort of have, me.

I did upgrade the hitch on the vehicle to 16,000 pounds, I have 9 bolts 5/8 inch on each side, and an additional rear support bracket that runs between the frames and down to the receiver. I'm very careful about tounge weight, but the gross of the trailer is up around 8,000 pounds.
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I've never seen an NHRA racer pull in to the track with a MH and trailer without a WD setup, ever and we're talking hundreds of them . They don't all have 10 K hitches either.
Hi Chuck, plenty of racers here in D-4, including me, forego the WD hitch setup with a tag axle coach.... especially with a triple axle trailer that has manageable/correct tongue weight or Jok's Trailer Toad. We've probably been at some of the same tracks over the years but you didn't notice me
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Thanks for mentioning the Trailer Toad Thunder Foot.
When it comes to towing with a motor home there are as many "good ideas" and "proven methods" as there are coach owners.

Without exception almost all of us that are towing enclosed trailers are probably "exceeding the limits of either the hitch or the combined gross weight capacity of the coach."

That does not stop us from doing it or from being safe. The next concern has to be for stopping ability, handling and "can we keep the extra weight off the coach all together so we do not structurally damage the coach?" The answer is yes, if you use a Trailer Toad. It is the ONLY hitch that allows you to tow with literally zero tongue weight on the coach

The Trailer Toad eliminates the tongue weight all together so your hitch becomes a pulling tool and not a carrying tool. We have hundreds of customers who are enjoying the benefits of not putting their coach under the stress of carrying 800 to 3000 lbs of weight on the frame and suspension of their coach by using the Trailer Toad 3500HD or the 5000SD.

Is it a bit of a pain the butt to back up? Yes, you have to get out and pin the axle on the Toad so it won't turn. You can leave it pinned if you know you are going into a race track, a campground or whatever where you might have to do some forward and reverse maneuvers. Just raise the pins when you are ready to head back out on the highway so the Trailer Toad can work to help with sway and braking.

I know, it was a long post but the reality is, a lot of guys are trusting a frame on their coach to do a lot more work than it was designed for and are damaging the floors, frames, sidewalls and slide-out openings due to flex caused by the "seemingly never repaired" U.S. Highway system.

If you have ay questions about how a Trailer Toad could help you tow safer and protect your coach you can drop me an email or call just about anytime. www.trailertoad.com.

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Thanks for mentioning the Trailer Toad Thunder Foot.
When it comes to towing with a motor home there are as many "good ideas" and "proven methods" as there are coach owners.

Without exception almost all of us that are towing enclosed trailers are probably "exceeding the limits of either the hitch or the combined gross weight capacity of the coach."


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I am sorry Jok, I do not agree with your statement, I believe there are a larger percentage of people towing "Anything" that abide by the capacity's of not only the tow vehicle but for sure number one the receiver, if not........the only question that comes to mind is, when is something going to fail............as to why manufacture's put limits on everything made........even Allison transmissions that have a nick name"Bullet Proof" When looking at anything that is over its rated capacity.......it is not if it is going to fail........the question is When....? So as you can see now, I am not one of the one's that push my luck...........I might take things to the limit........but not in excess.........everything has a breaking/failure point.........as why the manufacture's have specs. to follow..........To each their own though.
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I am sorry Jok, I do not agree with your statement, I beleive there are a larger percentage of people towing "Anything" that abide by the capacity's of not only the tow vehicle but for sure number one the receiver, if not........the only question that comes to mind is, when is something going to fail............as to why manufacture's put limits on everything made........even Allison transmissions that have a nick name"Bullet Proof" So as you can see now, I am not one of the one's that push my luck...........I might take things to the limit........but not in excess.........everything has a breaking/failure point.........as why the manufacture's have specs. to follow..........To each their own though.
In Jok's defense of that statement, I think he was more referring to the racing crowd. I guarantee you that in the racing circles the statement is probably true that most ARE exceeding the limits. That is just the way it is. I have been racing for a lot of years and this is pretty much business as usuall when heading to the races.

All that said, I also firmly believe that "when" these limits are exceeded, it seems the racing crowd has at least gone and taken most of the variables into consideration, not just thrown caution into the wind and head down the road without thinking some things through. We have a lot of expensive equipment in those rolling shops/garages and most of us even being over length and over weight aren't about to risk things willy nilly.

Racers for the most part are an oddity in the respect that limits are meant to be pushed but a lot of thought process goes into it.

Sorry to make light of it, but if you aren't a racer you wouldn't understand this mindset. Hell, we push everything and don't accept anything without investigating and determining for ourselves.

I know there will be the legal begals of the group chime in and blast me, but don't hate the players, hate the game. Stickers and warnings are merely "suggestions".

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