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Old 03-20-2015, 11:18 AM   #827
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In Jok's defense of that statement, I think he was more referring to the racing crowd. I guarantee you that in the racing circles the statement is probably true that most ARE exceeding the limits. That is just the way it is. I have been racing for a lot of years and this is pretty much business as usuall when heading to the races.

All that said, I also firmly believe that "when" these limits are exceeded, it seems the racing crowd has at least gone and taken most of the variables into consideration, not just thrown caution into the wind and head down the road without thinking some things through. We have a lot of expensive equipment in those rolling shops/garages and most of us even being over length and over weight aren't about to risk things willy nilly.

Racers for the most part are an oddity in the respect that limits are meant to be pushed but a lot of thought process goes into it.

Sorry to make light of it, but if you aren't a racer you wouldn't understand this mindset. Hell, we push everything and don't accept anything without investigating and determining for ourselves.

I know there will be the legal begals of the group chime in and blast me, but don't hate the players, hate the game. Stickers and warnings are merely "suggestions".

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Old 03-20-2015, 11:33 AM   #828
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I tend to agree with Palehorse.

Over is over and adding a trailer toad will increase the overage. While you are reducing the weight on the tongue you are increasing the pull by adding weight and another set of wheels to turn.

I wonder about the theory that racers will take pushing of the limits out of a controlled environment and into the public. Seems irresponsible.
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Old 03-20-2015, 01:20 PM   #829
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I tend to agree with Palehorse.

Over is over and adding a trailer toad will increase the overage. While you are reducing the weight on the tongue you are increasing the pull by adding weight and another set of wheels to turn.

I wonder about the theory that racers will take pushing of the limits out of a controlled environment and into the public. Seems irresponsible.
I see your point and completely understand it, however, I don't want to start a pissin' contest, I was just giving my "opinion" based on my experience the past 25+ years of racing and what I have seen at the race track.

That said, most of the rigs I have seen at the race track appear to much more safely put together and definitely maintained than some of the ones I see pulling into commercial campgrounds for that matter. I can't tell you how many rigs I have seen in commercial campgrounds that have improperly setup towbars on toads, safety chains that are either not connected properly or connected back to the towbar where it is merely an attempt to make it look like they are attached and let's not even get started on auxiliary braking systems. Again, just pointing out that rules and laws are broken by most if not all at one point or another and people rationalize them being broken/twisted by whatever fits their application or situation at the time.

And not to beat a dead horse but the same could be said about speed limits. Those who exceed them are being just as irresponsible. Again, labels and stickers just being "suggestions".

Sorry to get off topic.

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Hey Mike;
No contest intended. Part of the issue is everyone seems to know someone who knows more than the fellows who designed the actual equipment. I understand someone who honestly does not know what stuff means but not someone who knows it and knowingly ignores the "suggestions".
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Old 03-20-2015, 03:34 PM   #831
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Great post Mike and spot on for the racers in the crowd. If our rigs are unable to transport us to the tracks consistently and on time we can't "play"; therefore, as a group we spend more time on maintenance, repairs, and inspection than the average RV'er who MIGHT put 10k miles a year on his rig with no timetable or specific itinerary to adhere to while traveling.

Racing at any level is not a hobby; it's an all consuming lifestyle. Those of us with this personality "disorder" upgrade, modify, and re-engineer virtually everything in our life until it meets our standard of reliability, durability, performance, and safety. In fact, if racers and other innovators never challenged the status quo and didn't become that "someone who knows more than the fellows who designed the actual equipment" progress would grind to a halt on many fronts.

But then again I don't need an expiration date on a bottle of milk to tell me it's spoiled Regards,

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Awesome Replies ! At the least !
I called Fleetwood today to inquire about my Hitch, the younger Guys couldn't answer my questions and finally found a guy in the shop that worked there back in the day. He told me that all of the Early American Eagles had Class 4 Hitches installed through 1996 and then they changed to Class 3's for what ever reason. I Confirmed that I have 4 9/16 bolts on each side of the mount and he confirmed that yes that's a Class 4 Hitch rated at 10,000 lbs. Ok now that's done and on to the WD setup- No MH produced from American Eagle condoned a WD setup based on Spartans Recommendation for towing Capacity.
So ! What does that mean to me --- Nothing at All !
I will continue to Hook up and go.
As far as the Trailer Toad- I've seen them , They just can't back up in the pouring Rain in a rest area or at the track with out getting out and installing or pulling the Pin.
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Old 03-21-2015, 07:20 AM   #833
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Trailers you tow behind your motor homes

I agree with the comments about the "racer crowd" be a little obsessed with maintenance, welding in structural braces, better brake controllers and weight control when they tow with motor homes.
I have towed enclosed trailer across the Country starting with a 1977 Pace Arrow gas coach. Probably 5000 lbs over it's capacity but new rear frame braces, tons of maintenance on the Dodge chassis brakes, trans, coolers (both oil and trans) and ALWAYS being defensive.
From that to the diesel pusher now you have to remember that the "hitch engineers" have to design for the inexperienced users. They are also limited by their budgets to create strength as long as they don't spend too much money.
5000 lb ratings on hitches are all based on industry standards that 10% of tat weight will be tongue weight. They are not really rated for what they can just pull, it always involves what they can "carry" as well.

No matter what you tow, how you do it and what equipment you use; you have to be careful, plan ahead and be ready to do more maintenance than the guys that just "hop in and hope everything will be OK".

Enough of this towing stuff, let's get back to seeing some the really cool motor home / trailer setups you guys have. I love the ones with the trailers painted to match, they look super nice!!
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"No MH produced from American Eagle condoned a WD setup based on Spartans Recommendation for towing Capacity." I have to ask,If american eagle never poduced one why is it in my owners manual? Here's a picture of the townig capacity in the closet of my coach. . Isn't this type of tag in all coaches?
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Old 03-22-2015, 10:21 AM   #835
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"No MH produced from American Eagle condoned a WD setup based on Spartans Recommendation for towing Capacity." I have to ask,If american eagle never poduced one why is it in my owners manual? Here's a picture of the townig capacity in the closet of my coach. . Isn't this type of tag in all coaches?
I am just wondering here how you would flat tow a truck that weighs 6-7k.......or can't you with these hitch ratings?
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"No MH produced from American Eagle condoned a WD setup based on Spartans Recommendation for towing Capacity." I have to ask,If american eagle never poduced one why is it in my owners manual? Here's a picture of the townig capacity in the closet of my coach. . Isn't this type of tag in all coaches?
Well ! Don't have that in mine, what does that mean to me ? Nothing like I said before I've been hauling my Trailer 22 to 25 thousand miles a year since 2000 well almost. I drop the Hitch snug the chains and Go. I sometimes think we confuse towing capacity with Hauling capacity as mentioned by Palehorse89. Dropping dead weight on your hitch is far different than hooking a Toad Vehicle with a flexible hitch and heading down the road.
Either way getting from point A to Point B safely is all-ways a priority.
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heres my new 22'r triple 5200 lb axels....I'm still doing the build

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Lookin good so far! Did you build the trailer from start? Just have to ask, why 3 axle's on such a short trailer? What are you going to load in it?
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Lookin good so far! Did you build the trailer from start? Just have to ask, why 3 axle's on such a short trailer? What are you going to load in it?
I was kind of wondering the same thing in a 22' trailer?

I have had two enclosed trailers over the years (24' and now 26')and on my current one I almost went triple axle for weight capacity but ended up just upgrading my axles to two 7k pound units. My trailer is routinely around 12k pounds ready to travel and tows beautifully.

Three axles would balance her out a bit better as I do have a lot of tongue weight but in the end I am glad I didn't go with three axles.

Just curious why 22' triple axle? Are they 5200 pound axles?

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Are they 5200 pound axles?

Mike.
That's what his post #837 states.

Maybe he plans to haul an armored Brinks Truck.

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