Tribute 27b vs 33d Excursion..

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I'm looking at this 33 d


am I understaning that the coach weighs 2500lbs and the totalGCVW is 30,000.. leaves only 5k for trailer and cargo/passengers??

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Excursion 33D
Length: 33' 11"


Excursion 35B
Length: 36' 9"


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Length: 36' 9"


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Length: 36' 9"


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33D Power Bridge® Wheelbase (inches) 208" GVWR (lbs)1 26,000 Front GAWR (lbs)2 10,500 Rear GAWR (lbs)2 17,500 GCWR (lbs)3 30,000 Hitch Rating Weight (lbs)4 10,000
33D Power Bridge® Overall Length (feet and inches)5 33' 11" Overall Height (with A/C) (feet and inches) 11' 10" Overall Height (Suspension Deflated) (feet and inches) 11' 7" Overall Width (maximum) (inches)6,7 102" Interior Height (maximum) (inches) 84" Interior Width (maximum) (inches) 96" Interior Storage (cu. ft.) 140 Exterior Storage (cu. ft.) 133 Patio Awning Width (feet and inches) 17' Fresh Water Holding Tank (gal) 77 Grey Water Holding Tank (gal) 60 Black Water Holding Tank (gal) 32 Appliance Propane Tank (WC) (gal)8 28.2 Water Heater Tank (gal) 6
Freightliner® XCS Series Model Freightliner® XCS Series Engine Cummins® ISB 6.7L Transmission Allison® 2100 MH 6-Speed w/ Electronic Shifter Alternator Delco Remy 160 Amp Torque 660 lb-ft @ 1,600 RPM Horsepower 300HP Fuel Capacity 90 gal.
1 GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) is the maximum permissible weight of this fully loaded motorhome. The GVWR is equal to or greater than the sum of the (UVW) unloaded vehicle weight plus the (OCCC) occupant cargo-carrying capacity. UVW and OCCC are found on the label containing the federal certification tag in each RV.
2 GAWR (Gross Axle Weight Rating) is the maximum permissible loaded weight a specific axle is designed to carry.
3 GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating) is the value specified by the motorhome manufacturer as the maximum allowable loaded weight of this motorhome with its towed vehicle. Towing and braking capacities may be different. Refer to Fleetwood and chassis manufacturer's manuals for complete information.
4 The chassis manufacturer recommends the installation of a supplemental brake control system to activate the brakes on the vehicle or trailer you are towing. Hitch receiver ratings expressed are maximum for the hitch receiver installed and may require the purchase of additional equipment that is dependent on the weight of the towed load. Consult with hitch receiver manufacturer for further information.
5 Length measured from front bumper to rear bumper (excludes accessories).
6 Excludes safety equipment and awnings.
7 Motorhomes feature a body width over 96" which will restrict your access to certain roads. Before purchasing, you should research any state and/or province road laws which may affect your usage.
8 Tank manufacturer's listed water capacity (WC). Actual propane capacity is 80% of water listing as required by the safety code.





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Originally Posted by 2forcefull

2010 Itasca Sunova 33C on a 2011 Ford F53 chassis; Kelderman Air Suspension front & rear, rear Roadmaster HD sway bar, Safe-T-Plus, 5 Star Tune, Blue Ox tow bar & brake
2011 Honda CRV toad and a 2004 Wrangler Rubicon toad; full tank of gas, 2 cats and the wife

have you weighed this loaded???

Yep, it came in at 19,140 lbs on a 22K chassis. That weight was loaded but not with passengers or food, so guess at about 19,500 lbs fully loaded max.

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Originally Posted by 2forcefull

I'm looking at this 33 d


am I understaning that the coach weighs 2500lbs and the totalGCVW is 30,000.. leaves only 5k for trailer and cargo/passengers??

I don't see an UVW (Unloaded Vehicle Weight) given anywhere there. All I see in those specs are an allowable gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,000 lbs and an allowable gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 30, 000 lbs. So you could pull a trailer weighing 4,000 lbs if the MH was weighing 26,000 lbs fully loaded.

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Originally Posted by aauummm

I don't see an UVW (Unloaded Vehicle Weight) given anywhere there. All I see in those specs are an allowable gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,000 lbs and an allowable gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 30, 000 lbs. So you could pull a trailer weighing 4,000 lbs if the MH was weighing 26,000 lbs fully loaded.

so having a 10,000lb hitch does nothing but make people think they can haul a 10k trailer

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Originally Posted by 2forcefull

so having a 10,000lb hitch does nothing but make people think they can haul a 10k trailer

yep. Now that 2009 Journey that I posted earlier has a 10K hitch from the factory and the difference between the CVWR and GCWR is 10K so you can pull the full 10K.

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Originally Posted by 2forcefull

yeah, but it weighs 12,000 lbs more

only has 5200 lbs for cargo...include ing trailer...

my little Winnie went up the same grade loaded ,pulling the trailer as the journey did empty

True the 2009 Journey 34Y weighs more than either yours or mine, however with the large torque and the six speed transmission it way out does ours.

In the review article that I posted, they took the Journey up over Donner Pass in CA. That pass (going westbound) climbs from Reno for 30-40 miles to the top, with grades up to 6-7% . To only drop to 55 mph over that length and steep of a pass is very impressive, even though they were probably not towing anything.

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Originally Posted by aauummm

True the 2009 Journey 34Y weighs more than either yours or mine, however with the large torque and the six speed transmission it way out does ours.

In the review article that I posted, they took the Journey up over Donner Pass in CA. That pass (going westbound) climbs from Reno for 30-40 miles to the top, with grades up to 6-7% . To only drop to 55 mph over that length and steep of a pass is very impressive, even though they were probably not towing anything.

I don't think you are getting my point...by the time you add 10,ooo more lbs it won't

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Originally Posted by aauummm

Yep, it came in at 19,140 lbs on a 22K chassis. That weight was loaded but not with passengers or food, so guess at about 19,500 lbs fully loaded max.

that's with no rubicon??? right...

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Originally Posted by aauummm

True the 2009 Journey 34Y weighs more than either yours or mine, however with the large torque and the six speed transmission it way out does ours.

In the review article that I posted, they took the Journey up over Donner Pass in CA. That pass (going westbound) climbs from Reno for 30-40 miles to the top, with grades up to 6-7% . To only drop to 55 mph over that length and steep of a pass is very impressive, even though they were probably not towing anything.

I'm think'n this is an eight % grade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyKmsWXdkkY

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Originally Posted by 2forcefull

that's with no rubicon??? right...

Right. Just the motorhome, myself and fuel and water, sewage, tow bar.

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Originally Posted by 2forcefull

I'm think'n this is an eight % grade

I took a look at it on Google Earth and Google Maps. From just under the underpass up to where the concrete ends at the beginning of the ramp it is 5.9% grade. I get a 266' rise in 4,479'.

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Originally Posted by aauummm

I took a look at it on Google Earth and Google Maps. From just under the underpass up to where the concrete ends at the beginning of the ramp it is 5.9% grade. I get a 266' rise in 4,479'.

very interesting

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Originally Posted by 2forcefull

thanks for the reply,...

here's what I got


the 27b GCVW is 23,000... GVW is 16,000
unloaded weight with fluids is 13,8000

so if you take the 16,000 minus 13,800 leaves 2200 lbs you can add to the coach in cluding tongue weight of the trailer

that leaves 7,000 GVW of trailer.....which means the weigh that would show on the third axel of the scale.....

soooo... If you back up to the GCVW (gross combined vec. weight)
which is 23,000 lbs.. minus unloaded vec weight.13,800.. leaves 9,200 lbs
of cargo and trailer...

sound about right???

That is correct as I understand it. And that 9,200 lbs of cargo and trailer can be broken up however you want, as long as you don't exceed the GVWR of 16,000 lbs.

Thus, if your motorhome weighs in at an actual fully loaded weight of 15,000 lbs then you could have 8,000 lbs for the trailer (as long as the hitch were rated for that much and as long as the trailer has brakes, which you have both).

It's time to hit the hay in Iowa!