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Old 04-11-2019, 06:45 PM   #1
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Warning about a Scammer - Kuki Auto

I recently spotted a Tiffin DP on Craigslist that looked like a very solid coach for a very low price. The pictures were poor so I emailed the seller last week to ask for more photos and with a list of questions.

The owner wrote back yesterday and asked for my direct email address so she could send photos. She was a doctor and used an adventhealth email address. She told me that the coach was now with a consigner called Kuki Auto (kukiauto.com). The site looked legit and a Google search revealed mostly older reviews but usually on more obscure sites. But there were a lot of them at different time periods going back to 2012. No BBB info. No Google reviews.

You agree to buy the RV, the seller confirms and you have 24-48 hours to do a wire transfer. They then deliver the RV up to 1000 miles free. Mileage charges are added above that. They inspect the RV at their facility but once they deliver, you have a 7 day guarantee. So I knew I could get an indy inspection done. If you return it, the seller has to pay. The price, $11k, was very low and I knew I'd need to act fast so I agreed to buy it.

It appeared to me that this was a Doctor that didn't know how to market it herself. She claimed they'd already bought another RV and just wanted to move it.

This morning, she emailed saying she'd heard from the company and wanted to make sure I was ready to proceed. The company sent me an invoice and instructions on where to wire the money. I was then to email a copy of the wire transfer to receipt to their office.

I also tried calling the company and got one of those voice mails that uses a recorded announcement that runs you around in circles and never connected with a live person. They also had a live chat feature and there I got a response.

On the bill of sale, the company name was different and the company receiving the wire transfer was yet another company with an account with Citibank. The company was based in Miami. At this point, I contacted Citibank. They wouldn't reveal anything since I wasn't the account holder.

I called the BBB. They had no info on any of the companies.

Then I Googled the addresses of the alleged lot locations listed on the website in cities around the US. Every address was just multi business office buildings. Nothing that resembled a consignment lot.

Then I used the Internet archives aka the Wayback machine to look at the history of the website. Up until around 2016, this was an active site for a consignment site. Then I saw that, for a while, the domain was for sale. Then the new website appeared in the past year. The scammer bought the domain and put up the new site. The site is hosted in the Netherlands.

Finally, I googled the Doctor. The name came up for two different doctors but neither was in Atlanta. I noticed the site she emailed from was adventhealth.doctor. When you enter that site in a browser, it points to adventhealth's main website. They have no doctor by that name.

Then I googled the registration of the site using a WhoIs search. It's not adventhealth's site. The scammer just has it redirected to their site and uses the email address to appear legit. I let adventhealth know to go after the registrar and get that site taken down. I'm not sure who else to contact in law enforcement or if they'll actively pursue this. Someone like this might be overseas and could easily do this again.

Obviously, I didn't wire any money. I design websites and do online marketing as part of my business so, fortunately, I knew where to look to figure out this was a scam. I can only imagine how many people have fallen for this, though, because it appears to be a company that's been around for years and didn't have any negatives come up.

Sorry for the long story here but I wanted to post to help anyone avoid getting ripped off.
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Old 04-11-2019, 06:53 PM   #2
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that's pretty good detective work thank you for the heads up
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Thank you for the detailed report. It is indeed scary out there.
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If you have not already confronted them; why not play them for awhile. Ask for the exact location of the coach then a little later tell them you have a friend there and that they would like to inspect the coach for you.
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If you have not already confronted them; why not play them for awhile. Ask for the exact location of the coach then a little later tell them you have a friend there and that they would like to inspect the coach for you.
I was tempted, believe me. But I just got right back to my search for the right coach. And all the other candidates are where I can see them up front. ;-)
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Great detective work, thank you for alerting us, so easy to get burned these days.
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i doubt the police would do anything, but, if you have time, i would suggest taking the info you have discovered to the local police dept.. and ask if they can look into this... they may...
i'd love to see the bad guys on the chain gang.... or worse.. no telling how many folks have been taken by them.
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May I suggest you contact the Attorney General in your state.
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov...mer-protection
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I can only imagine how many people have fallen for this, though, because it appears to be a company that's been around for years and didn't have any negatives come up.
There were more flags than there are outside the UN in the first 1/4 of that story.....
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There were more flags than there are outside the UN in the first 1/4 of that story.....
I agree! Real listing have a phone number and specific information. There are enough real listings to keep one busy.

I saw a listing that sounded too good to be true. I googled an odd phrase and a web site about scams popped up. Same BS sales pitch showed up with pictures of different RVs.
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May I suggest you contact the Attorney General in your state.
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov...mer-protection
I contacted Craigslist's legal department and the FBI's IC3 division. Can't hurt.
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I agree! Real listing have a phone number and specific information. There are enough real listings to keep one busy.

I saw a listing that sounded too good to be true. I googled an odd phrase and a web site about scams popped up. Same BS sales pitch showed up with pictures of different RVs.
Scams like that are pretty simple to catch. But there were no negative reviews. There were positives going back to 2012 because this was a legitimate company that went out of business around 2017. There were posts on forums like this one, multiple car sites, boat sites where people discussed the company in a positive light. None looked like planted reviews which are usually obvious because they were real comments and reviews.

In this case, the scammer bought the domain and put up a new site using the old company's name. And there was a phone number with the kind of recorded voicemail system you get when you call most large companies and a live chat window.

I caught this fairly early and sure as hell didn't send them any money. But I wanted to see what I could dig up.
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"You agree to buy the RV, the seller confirms and you have 24-48 hours to do a wire transfer. They then deliver the RV up to 1000 miles free."



DING, DING, DING......
Money wire transferred and THEN they deliver........HA!
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