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Old 11-20-2006, 11:51 AM   #1
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Ok, I recently brought home a used 2005 Fleetwood Providence that I bought from an RV dealer. My sales contract reflects that I bought a 2005 model, as I was told it was. I ran the VIN no. on carfax, and it indicated the chassis was an 2004. Not unusual for manufacturers to use an older chassis, so I shrugged it off.

I just noticed that the Fleetwood ID sticker says the coach is a 2004 model. I immediately became frightened that I may have been sold an older coach. I went to Fleetwood's web site and downloaded sales brochures for both years. The changes in the two years are subtle, but I did discover that I in fact purchased an '05.

Whew! Scared me for a minute!

Anybody else ever experience this?
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Old 11-20-2006, 11:51 AM   #2
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Ok, I recently brought home a used 2005 Fleetwood Providence that I bought from an RV dealer. My sales contract reflects that I bought a 2005 model, as I was told it was. I ran the VIN no. on carfax, and it indicated the chassis was an 2004. Not unusual for manufacturers to use an older chassis, so I shrugged it off.

I just noticed that the Fleetwood ID sticker says the coach is a 2004 model. I immediately became frightened that I may have been sold an older coach. I went to Fleetwood's web site and downloaded sales brochures for both years. The changes in the two years are subtle, but I did discover that I in fact purchased an '05.

Whew! Scared me for a minute!

Anybody else ever experience this?
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Old 11-20-2006, 01:14 PM   #3
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What on the Fleetwood ID Sticker caused you to think it was a 2004 "Model"? My last Fleetwood sticker gave the Model No., FIN:, and the Mfg. Date, but not the model year.
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Old 11-21-2006, 04:46 AM   #4
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Roland:
What on the Fleetwood ID Sticker caused you to think it was a 2004 "Model"? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, after looking at the sticker again, it appears as though I read it wrong.

The typset of the sticker is different from that of the fields in which the data is displayed. In other words, where it lists "Model", it gives "2004". Just below that though is the letter "J" (2004 was the year it was manufactured, and "J" is the model no.). The "J" should have been typed higher, so that is was listed in the correct spot. So basically, I got all excited for nothing.

It is kind of weird though that my 2005 coach was manufactured in March of 2004, but whatever...
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
It is kind of weird though that my 2005 coach was manufactured in March of 2004, but whatever... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I've seen a lot of posts on this issue. It really bothers some people. I have a 2006 Tiffin Phaeton manufactured in 2005. As a matter of fact I bought it in August 2005.
Auto manufacturers have done this for as long as I can remember. Many model year cars and trucks were manufactured the year before and I've never heard anyone having a problem with this.
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Old 11-21-2006, 06:21 AM   #6
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Our first Gulf Stream MH was a 2003 model and was built in August 2002, we purchased it in August 2002. It was on the dealers lot just 1 day and we purchased it.

The 1999 Ford Super Duty F350 I ordered in May 1998 and took delivery in June 1998.

As JoeT said, it is being done all the time in industry, especially with a new model or redesigned body/engine changes.

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I have a 2005 coach that has a 2004 Ford chassis. The coach sticker states it is a 2005 as the coach body was put on the chassis in Jan 2005. The chassis was completed in Oct 2004. The DMV has registered it as a 2004 due to the 2004 Chassis VIN. Since Winnebago sold it to me as a 2005, that is what it is regardless of the chassis model year.

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Actually the Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin (which is what the title is supposed to be based on) is supposed to be the gverning document for model year and it is supplied by the final manufacturer (Fleetwood in theis case). The chassis was an "incmplete vehicle" but it has the VIN and so many states and insurance companies want to register it by the VIN year, but that is arguably wrong. The Title document is suposed to reflect the Certificate date and the manufacturer sets that, even if it is done rather arbitrarily. They can and do change the model year when ever they feel like it, either for marketing reasons or because they have made substantial design changes and wnt to reflect that as a "new model".

So look at your title if you can (your lender probably has it) or ask the DMV what the year is on the title docs.
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Old 11-22-2006, 05:01 PM   #9
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I checked the title with DMV. Although the chassis VIN reflects a 2004 model, it is registered as a 2005, so I am ok.

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Sometimes the chassis/coach difference is a good thing . . .

We bought an '06 Winnebago View on an '05 Sprinter chassis (in August '05).

Later discovered the '05 Sprinter chassis has a 7 year, 70,000 mile warranty, but the '06 Sprinter chassis has a 3 year, 36,000 mile warranty. Not sure why Mercedes is doing this when most other manufacturers are going the other way.

Cool for us! Particularly since the '05 and '06 chassis are identical.
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Recently bought a 2006 Trek on a WH W20 chassis. Was expecting an Allison 6 speed transmission, bought it from a dealer far away and never questioned the chassis year. Imagine my surprise when I learned it was a 2005 chassis with a 5 speed trans. Part of this experience is the learning. I also heard that California requires the chassis year to be the "Official" model year.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I also heard that California requires the chassis year to be the "Official" model year. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not true, at least in my case as stated above.
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