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Old 05-25-2012, 08:03 AM   #1
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What's the difference HR Endeavor and Scepter?

Question - Looking at a 2004 Holiday Rambler Endeavor 40PST and a 2004 Holiday Rambler Scepter 40PST - what's the difference between the 2 units? The HR site currently shows Endeavor as their top of the line, but don't know how Scepter measured up in 2004, and seen 2 used Endeavors that are priced lower than the same year and model Scepters. I know it could be condition and mileage, but all things being equal what's the buzz?
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Old 05-25-2012, 08:35 AM   #2
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In 2004 the Scepter was the top of the line for HR. Base price was about $45K more than an Endeavor and that was reflected in the quality of the furnishings and woodwork. Base price on the Scepter also included many options not on the Endeavor. On the chassis side the Scepter had auto air leveling which I believe the Endeavor did not. Both had the same engine so power wise the will be about equal but the Scepter will ride and handle a little better.
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Actually, I think the Imperial was considered top of the line in those years, but the Scepter was just under it. Upscale from the Endeavor, as Brian already described.
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Actually, from bottom to top the models were:

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Endeavor, Scepter, Imperial, Navigator

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Diplomat, Camelot, Windsor, Executive, Signature

The Endeavor and Diplomat were essentially twins.

Two friends have had Endeavors from that vintage with no major problems.

I think the Scepter of that vintage was probably a rear radiator like the Endeavor. Later it had a side radiator and was essentially a twin ship of the Camelot.
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Ok I stand corrected;
According to NADA guide for the year 2004 which is what the OP asked about:

Navigator came with a 500HP engine and a base price of $386449.00
Imperial came with a 400HP engine and a base price of $285677.00
Scepter came with a 350HP engine and a base price of $229418.00
Endeavor came with a 330HP engine and a base price of $185429

In other years they started moving things around dropping lines, upgrading lines etc.
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Ok I stand corrected;
According to NADA guide for the year 2004 which is what the OP asked about:

Navigator came with a 500HP engine and a base price of $386449.00
Imperial came with a 400HP engine and a base price of $285677.00
Scepter came with a 350HP engine and a base price of $229418.00
Endeavor came with a 330HP engine and a base price of $185429

In other years they started moving things around dropping lines, upgrading lines etc.

Great! Appreciate all the clarification. So I guess the next question would be what, in your experience, would be a fair price for each of the two?

And also, kind of off the subject, but I see you have a Ford Explorer toad, which is what I plan on purchasing. How do you tow it? Dolly, trailer, 4 down, and if I go with the 4x4 does that change anything?

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I am a cheap SOB so if I were purchasing either of the two coaches depending on what kind of shape they are in I would be looking in the range of $65K-$80K on the Endeavor and $81K to $98K on the Scepter. Of course I would be working on the low end of those figures if possible.

I tow my Explorer 4 down. It is a 4X4 automatic and needed to have the neutral tow kit installed in order to be towed. I also installed an Air Force One braking system which I highly recommend.
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