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Old 11-27-2014, 11:00 PM   #15
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I've been doing hundreds of hours on this exact subject, and we're getting ready to buy our first DP in about 3 months. Of all the floor plans we've looked at, only rigs over 40' really grab us. A wise person on this forum told me to buy my third RV first... that doesn't apply as much to you (I'm just a wannabe and you've had one before, so you'd know better than I) but it sounds like we have similar concerns about rigs that long.

There was one 38' Newmar (I think) that we really liked in pictures, but as soon as we stepped inside it felt... umm... cramped, I guess is the word. The same or similar floor plan stretched out over 42' just feels so much more comfortable. Now when I'm researching what's available, my search parameters only include 40-45' in length.

I'm also looking in roughly the same year-range as you, though I've found a lot of 02's on up that are really nice. And flynnwalter said it: I'm heavily leaning toward Monaco / Holiday Rambler in that vintage. But to cover my bases, I have well over three dozen used rigs saved that I'm keeping track of, and adding more all the time, and they're all Monaco / HR's, Damons, Newmars and Tiffins and all are over 40'... most between 42' and 44'.

I'd never let availability of spaces make the decision for me. Just because you can't go to Campground A doesn't mean you can't go at all. Might take a tad more planning, but I think it'll be worth it. Sounds like it would be for you, too.

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Size is mostly irrelevant IMHO. Floor-plan should be the guiding factor.
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Well, things happen and we came across a nicely equipped 2007 Camelot 42 PDQ for a WHOLE lot less money than a 45' Executive or Navigator. We hope to get a signed agreement in place by Monday after the holiday is over. So, a little shorter than we were considering, but still rich with creature comfort.

Frank, below you mention the semi-monocoque chassis (RR10S) for the Dynasty's and up. Fortunate that also includes the Camelot and I can't wait to hit the road for the first time and feel the difference a tag makes. Color me excited as well.

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The only drawback for me would be the number of state and federal parks that do not have sites big enough for such a rig--for instance along the Blue Ridge Parkway. Just finding a site sufficiently level for our 38 footer when at our favorite state park in the mountains of SW Virginia can be difficult. Jacked up our coach once and won't do it again. If you never had problems with this in your 40 footer, then it's not an issue for you. Might suggest a Monaco product in your listed vintage years--they made some mighty fine coaches, especially the semi-monocoque chassis in the Dynasty and above. That includes Holiday Ramblers and Beaver/Safari, too. We are excited for you.
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The question should be... Will I be sorry if I Don't get a 45 ft DP ;o)

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I've been doing hundreds of hours on this exact subject, and we're getting ready to buy our first DP in about 3 months. Of all the floor plans we've looked at, only rigs over 40' really grab us. A wise person on this forum told me to buy my third RV first... that doesn't apply as much to you (I'm just a wannabe and you've had one before, so you'd know better than I) but it sounds like we have similar concerns about rigs that long.

There was one 38' Newmar (I think) that we really liked in pictures, but as soon as we stepped inside it felt... umm... cramped, I guess is the word. The same or similar floor plan stretched out over 42' just feels so much more comfortable. Now when I'm researching what's available, my search parameters only include 40-45' in length.

I'm also looking in roughly the same year-range as you, though I've found a lot of 02's on up that are really nice. And flynnwalter said it: I'm heavily leaning toward Monaco / Holiday Rambler in that vintage. But to cover my bases, I have well over three dozen used rigs saved that I'm keeping track of, and adding more all the time, and they're all Monaco / HR's, Damons, Newmars and Tiffins and all are over 40'... most between 42' and 44'.

I'd never let availability of spaces make the decision for me. Just because you can't go to Campground A doesn't mean you can't go at all. Might take a tad more planning, but I think it'll be worth it. Sounds like it would be for you, too.

Good luck!
Funny, with your activity mirroring mine, you could probably write my posts for me. Good luck on your search.
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We got more belly storage in our Winnie 40U over the 42-43'.
Loose storGe with the tag axle INTHE Winnie.
The only down side of the 42-45' would be getting into some State and COE parks.
Your choice. IMHO!M!
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Well, things happen and we came across a nicely equipped 2007 Camelot 42 PDQ for a WHOLE lot less money than a 45' Executive or Navigator. We hope to get a signed agreement in place by Monday after the holiday is over. So, a little shorter than we were considering, but still rich with creature comfort.

Frank, below you mention the semi-monocoque chassis (RR10S) for the Dynasty's and up. Fortunate that also includes the Camelot and I can't wait to hit the road for the first time and feel the difference a tag makes. Color me excited as well.
Congratulations on your new coach purchase. That's a really fine coach you found there. You should be doing the happy dance!

Not that it matters, but for clarification, the Dynasty and up were built on the S-Series semi-monocoque chassis. The roof trusses and wall studs were all steel welded together and to the main frame to form one complete chassis. The RR10S chassis is similar to the Dynasty, however the roof trusses and wall studs are aluminum bolted to the main frame. The RR10S chassis used in the Camelot is not a semi-monocoque chassis.

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Congratulations on your new coach purchase. That's a really fine coach you found there. You should be doing the happy dance!

Not that it matters, but for clarification, the Dynasty and up were built on the S-Series semi-monocoque chassis. The roof trusses and wall studs were all steel welded together and to the main frame to form one complete chassis. The RR10S chassis is similar to the Dynasty, however the roof trusses and wall studs are aluminum bolted to the main frame. The RR10S chassis used in the Camelot is not a semi-monocoque chassis.

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I don't know what to make of it Jim. The 2007 brochure, plus the build sheet for the coach, identify the Camelot to be on a RR10S series chassis. The Camelot brochure says "Our exclusive raised rail design provides for larger full pass-through storage bays with flush doors." Drawings of the 2007 Camelot chassis and the 2007 Dynasty chassis look identical to me. Easy to find online. Not disputing you. but I am confused for sure.
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We got more belly storage in our Winnie 40U over the 42-43'.

Loose storGe with the tag axle INTHE Winnie.

The only down side of the 42-45' would be getting into some State and COE parks.

Your choice. IMHO!M!

What year is your 40u?
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An excellent choice and you will be very happy! My buddy here in Lake City has an 07 Camelot 42 PDQ and it is fantastic. Even if its not semi-monocoque, its a very sturdy unit with a great ride. And probably the best bang for the buck during that Monaco Coach Corporation time frame. Be advised that despite MCC going bankrupt, first Navistar and now Allied Specialty Vehicles-ASV (parent company of Fleetwood) have kept tech numbers and still have parts/technician advice availability. ASV is trying to bring Monaco 'back'. Suggest you join Monacoers@yahoogroups.com and Monacocoachowners@yahoogroups.com as there is a wealth of information available on these blogs. Its a great coach you are buying and while there is always maintenance and things going haywire, your Camelot has good bones and will stand the test of time. Suggest you plan for the long haul as its more than worth customizing or remodeling to suit your needs. Now get ready for residential fridge, Progressive Surge Protector...Just enjoy!
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I don't know what to make of it Jim. The 2007 brochure, plus the build sheet for the coach, identify the Camelot to be on a RR10S series chassis. The Camelot brochure says "Our exclusive raised rail design provides for larger full pass-through storage bays with flush doors." Drawings of the 2007 Camelot chassis and the 2007 Dynasty chassis look identical to me. Easy to find online. Not disputing you. but I am confused for sure.
Well, it's easy to be confused, because the terminology is confusing!

The S-Series chassis is the semi-monocoque chassis.

The RR10S designation means Raised Rail, 10 air bags, Side radiator.

This should help:

http://guaranteerv.com/upload/media_...r-brochure.pdf

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I don't know what to make of it Jim. The 2007 brochure, plus the build sheet for the coach, identify the Camelot to be on a RR10S series chassis. The Camelot brochure says "Our exclusive raised rail design provides for larger full pass-through storage bays with flush doors." Drawings of the 2007 Camelot chassis and the 2007 Dynasty chassis look identical to me. Easy to find online. Not disputing you. but I am confused for sure.

Monaco's system of chassis identification leads to confusion. We owners of S Series chassis are somewhat "cult like" in our dedication to the S and it's semi monocoque structure. With the demise of Roadmaster as an independent chassis, the low end of motorhomes using a semi monocoque design is Foretravel and Newell.

The RR10S is the tag axle version of the RR8S, non tag that was Monaco's most used chassis for years. It has aluminum framing in the house structure and is not part of the chassis structure. The RR10S is a proven, very successful chassis and you should be very happy with it.


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Well, in about an hour I leave for the airport to turn over the keys to my DynaQuest to the buyer flying in to pick it up. Definitely enjoyed that coach, and the attention the Freightliner cab always brought on in the campgrounds and fueling stations. Lots of thumbs-up from the brethren.

Frank, thanks for the links. They will be most useful, and it's time I rejoined FMCA. Kinda fell by the wayside a few years back.

Jim, I noted in that link you gave me to the Roadmaster chassis, there was reference to it being used on the Dynasty, Executive and Signature. The designation 'S' in RR10S, as you point out, is a side radiated, 10 bag, semi-monocoque design and it appears the Camelot 42' tag model slipped in under the wire to be included. Thanks Monaco for keeping it all straight!

Just to many combinations to sift through.


EDIT: Saw your post Steve after I posted. Thanks for adding some clarity to the issue. I am beginning to realize that I might be more pleased than I thought with the S series chassis.
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