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Old 12-07-2014, 10:30 AM   #43
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I think it all boils down to is the best deal at the time I get something else. If I could get a DP for the same or less than what I would pay for a new gas rig I may jump at it. BUT I would be very worried about some unforeseeable work that I had to get done on it right after getting it. The new gas rig would have a warranty where the DP would not.

I have found several used DP's that could work out great for us with a few interior modifications to make it perfect for us. I bought used cars twice and they both was maintenance nightmares.
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Old 12-07-2014, 10:48 AM   #44
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As everyone else has suggested, you will spend much more maintaining the house as opposed to the chassis, so the difference on chassis maintenance is pretty small. Something else to consider is that newer diesel rigs require DEF (diesel exhaust fluid). Mine does not so I have no idea how much this would cost annually. Also, DPs typically have larger tires which would be more expensive to replace, say every 7 or so years. With a DP you do not typically carry a spare as they are large and heavy, so you depend on roadside service for any tire issues while traveling.
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Old 12-07-2014, 12:01 PM   #45
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DEF fluid costs me about $60 per year, $10 every 1,000 miles, and I get a clean diesel, no smoke and great fuel mileage.

DEF is definitely a non-issue.
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Old 12-07-2014, 12:32 PM   #46
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Gas coach maintenance

2 years and 2 self administered lub, oil and filters total cost under $100.00 total
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DEF fluid costs me about $60 per year, $10 every 1,000 miles, and I get a clean diesel, no smoke and great fuel mileage.

DEF is definitely a non-issue.
DEF is not an issue, what the regen does to the Turbo is...save your $$
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DEF is not an issue, what the regen does to the Turbo is...save your $$

I've never heard about a turbo issue with DPF regen. Give us the skinny.


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I've never heard about a turbo issue with DPF regen. Give us the skinny.


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Being in the Trucking industry for many years from what I have seen first hand since they switched from the "Pizza Burner" type Emissions to the DEF Regen is that when the Regen time comes and the process begins while driving your Turbo Spools up to even a greater RPM than normal thus resulting in premature Turbo death on (Cummins) a close Friend/Business Associate of mine has to replace his Turbo every 10-14 months, he gets 60-80k miles out of one, all though the Coach isn't as hard on the Turbo it will become an issue down the road When you all are out cruising in your Coaches and you come across a Truck with the hood tilted, note the color of the Engine, one of the reasons we did not buy new. BTW, I have a ISL in mine (pre Pizza or DEF)
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I need to add my 2 cents worth. We were in the same boat you are when we purchased our MH, gas vs diesel. One of the big factors that pushed me to gas was, how many miles were we going to drive a year because I feel that a diesel needs to be used. I was still working at that time so we felt 4 to 5 thousand a year would be average. That pushed me to the gas at that time and it was the only thing. We did get the gas Workhorse W-22 on our coach over the Ford. I feel we made the best choice and as I look at it now, it was. They don't make the Workhorse for HM's any more but if you look at something before 2008 that could be a factor. We have driven 89,000 miles and with not issues, but I have it serviced on a regular schedule. One suggestion I would make when you find the unit you want, check the tire codes. Don't want to purchase a MH and need to replace tires first thing, even a new one because you don't know how long the tire have been around.
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I am also in the trucking buisiness and of the 30 newer trucks using def in our fleet none have had turbo issues. Many of the trucks ( cummins powered) have 400 thousand plus miles.
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DEF is not an issue, what the regen does to the Turbo is...save your $$

I'll bet that turbo will last longer than I will.

To each his own, love my Cummins With DEF!

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Being in the Trucking industry for many years from what I have seen first hand since they switched from the "Pizza Burner" type Emissions to the DEF Regen is that when the Regen time comes and the process begins while driving your Turbo Spools up to even a greater RPM than normal thus resulting in premature Turbo death on (Cummins) a close Friend/Business Associate of mine has to replace his Turbo every 10-14 months, he gets 60-80k miles out of one, all though the Coach isn't as hard on the Turbo it will become an issue down the road When you all are out cruising in your Coaches and you come across a Truck with the hood tilted, note the color of the Engine, one of the reasons we did not buy new. BTW, I have a ISL in mine (pre Pizza or DEF)

I'm not up on the current hardware involved in meeting the EPA 2010 requirements. I was under the impression that the current engines have the DPF system which deals with particulates and is the part of the system subject to regen which involves injection of diesel fuel into the DPF to burn off the accumulated particulates. Then the DEF system is designed to reduce the NOX in the exhaust and that requires a continuous injection of the DEF into the exhaust to combine to produce water and CO2. I thought these were two systems which operate at the same time but to accomplish two different things. Are you saying that the turbo may be stressed by the DEF system or the DPF system?


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The DW and I have discussed this a lot. One thing that stays in our mind is how much time do we actually drive the MH vs how much time we are "camping". As long as we have the 4 slides, a great floor plan, a residential refrigerator and a washer/dryer then it makes no difference whether it is a diesel or gas rig. Yes I could haul more weight with a DP, but where being the diesel engine takes up so much of the space. I believe a 39' gas rig has more exterior storage space than a 39' DP.

I am concerned that a 39' gas rig is pushing the limits of the V-10. Yes the DP has more power, but I would most likely drive the same speed I do with a gasser.
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I'll agree that my coach could easily go 3 years without an air filter change, but I personally feel my best performance and comfort level is changing it every year.

The question I ask......particularly for those who drive in damp/rainy conditions, how do you know what dampness/water damage is occurring to that filter over the three years in use, causing glue and filter medium deterioration. I'm sure it's not huge, but I look at filters as cheap insurance. Regarding dust inhalation, I don't change my filters in dirt lots or during wind storms. Again, I doubt that dirt inhalation during filter changes is a big cause of engine dusting.

No offense, I know some are on a budget, but I don't count pennies or even dollars when it comes to maintenance of my coach. Quality filters, quality oil and regular servicing is something I've always done.

I also don't like oil sampling. I simply change the oil on schedule rather than keep sending in samples to see if I'm close to a change, past a change or need to do it again because I'm not sure or close. To me, it's an aggravation, just change it!

Remember......this my opinion, my coach and my money and I respect whatever you do with your coach.
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The DW and I have discussed this a lot. One thing that stays in our mind is how much time do we actually drive the MH vs how much time we are "camping". As long as we have the 4 slides, a great floor plan, a residential refrigerator and a washer/dryer then it makes no difference whether it is a diesel or gas rig. Yes I could haul more weight with a DP, but where being the diesel engine takes up so much of the space. I believe a 39' gas rig has more exterior storage space than a 39' DP.

I am concerned that a 39' gas rig is pushing the limits of the V-10. Yes the DP has more power, but I would most likely drive the same speed I do with a gasser.
Bottom line, A DP is bought for two reasons,
1. Have the money
2. Need the capacity of the chassis
Gasser's will give the buyer all they need as far as the floor plan and living space, the DP will give the owner the living space, a tag axle(if needed), and the capacity to load it up with what ever, and the hook a 30' trailer on the rear end, load "it " up and take off.......
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