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Old 10-02-2013, 08:31 AM   #1
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Toad light wiring problem

Don't know if maybe I've just gone brain dead or what but need help

My Winnebago Journey has a 6 pin connector on the rear. The plug has a pin for brake lights and two separate pins for signal lights. The motorhome has separate brake and signal lights. I can't figure how to wire it in to my 4 wire harness on the car. The car wants the brake and signal lights to be the same. A standard 6 to 4 adapter won't work.

None of the diagrams I've found on the net has been any help.
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Don't know if maybe I've just gone brain dead or what but need help

My Winnebago Journey has a 6 pin connector on the rear. The plug has a pin for brake lights and two separate pins for signal lights. The motorhome has separate brake and signal lights. I can't figure how to wire it in to my 4 wire harness on the car. The car wants the brake and signal lights to be the same. A standard 6 to 4 adapter won't work.

None of the diagrams I've found on the net has been any help.
Had same problem. Had RV place wire in a box that let car know what was going on. They said RV needed something to separate signals. Cost about $75 out the door. Everything works the way it should
Believe it was a capacitor system of some sort. Took tech about fifteen minutes to diagnose and wire in.
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:43 AM   #3
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You need a 'Taillight Converter' that will take your separate turn and brake lights and change it to signals compatible with a combined turn/brake light.
Standard Taillight Converters | CURT Manufacturing
Reese Towpower/Powered tail light converter (78015) | Tail Light Converter | AutoZone.com
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Don't know if maybe I've just gone brain dead or what but need help

My Winnebago Journey has a 6 pin connector on the rear. The plug has a pin for brake lights and two separate pins for signal lights. The motorhome has separate brake and signal lights. I can't figure how to wire it in to my 4 wire harness on the car. The car wants the brake and signal lights to be the same. A standard 6 to 4 adapter won't work.

None of the diagrams I've found on the net has been any help.
Wizard,
Your "problem" is not a problem. It's quite common. Many guys just don't know the simple remedies for it. You've been given answers but, no explanation. Here's how it works in a nut shell.

Your coach utilizes three filaments for tail light signals.
1. Running
2. Turn signals (Amber)
3. Brake lights (Red)

Your toad utilizes two filaments for the same purpose but, combines them.
1. Running
2. Right turn/brake, Left turn/brake

So, what many coach and chassis builders that utilize the "amber turn signals do for the end users in advance is, wire in a "tail light converter" for you. That converter simply "converts" the three filament system to the two filament system so it's easier to wire toads. They do it in the wiring of the tail lights before the wires enter the trailer plug. That way, you have what's needed right at the trailer plug for a toad like yours and many others.

But, it appears yours does not have that converter in place. No big deal what so ever. You've got two choices here.

1. Purchase the tail light converter and install it, just like the factory would. All that's needed is for you to disassemble the trailer plug, and, install the converter in line, prior to reassembling the trailer plug, DONE! That way, you'll have "RT/Brake, LF/Brake, on separate pins in that trailer plug and you can go right a head from that point and set up your toad.

2. The second way is to wire in that tail light converter in your toad light wiring. It's only marginally harder that way but, still accomplishes the same result. I've done it a zillion times. That little converter does all the thinking for you. And, by the way, the actual converter that you'll need has a total of 5 wires. Three in and two out, period. On the labeling on the converter you'll see

1. Right turn
2. Left turn
3. Brake

On the output side you'll read:

1. RT/brake
2. LT/Brake

There's no need to get one that has running lights and grounds. They have absolutely nothing to do with your issue. They will take care of themselves separately of the converter. It's just that some manufacturers of the converters put those in to the box too. Not needed.
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Either of these should do what you want:

Five-wire converter

Three-wire converter

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Old 10-03-2013, 06:40 AM   #6
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Thanks guys for all the responses and great advice. Told you I was brain dead. I've used one of the converters in the past and had forgotten. I ordered a converter yesterday.
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Thanks guys for all the responses and great advice. Told you I was brain dead. I've used one of the converters in the past and had forgotten. I ordered a converter yesterday.
Wizard,
Glad we all gave you some assistance here. Hope you get it all working as you'd like. Take care.
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Old 11-06-2013, 05:28 PM   #8
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Well got the converter a couple of weeks ago but the motorhome was in the shop for dash AC repairs. Got the motorhome back yesterday. Went out today to install the converter, only too about an hour. Most of that time was walking back and forth switching lights on and off. Finally got the wife out to operate the lights while I identified the correct wires, Winnebago uses all yellow wires.

Surprise, everything worked right the first time.
Thanks for all the responses.
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