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Old 10-15-2019, 09:17 PM   #1
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Towing Capacity

It appears the Allegro RED and Newmar Ventana (34 ft. range) use the same Freightliner XC chassis. The RED shows a 10,000# tow capacity whereas the Ventana is rated at only 5,000#. There is a small difference in GVW, but with the same power and trannys, it seems as if these should be rated the same. Why aren't they?
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Old 10-15-2019, 09:27 PM   #2
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The hitch installed?
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Looking at the specs for the new Ventana. it looks like it's rated to (flat) tow 10,000#. It's only rated to tow a 5,000# trailer with a 500# tongue weight limit. I would assume the low trailer tow rating is because of tongue weight concerns.
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Thanks, Mitch. This is the most invisible rating I can imagine! The numbers I see only specify 5,000# towing capacity, but I'm hoping you're correct. Yes, when considering tongue weight, I can see this rating lowered, but I'd love to see just one spec refer to 10,000#. I'm buying a 2018, 3407.
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Thanks, Mitch. This is the most invisible rating I can imagine! The numbers I see only specify 5,000# towing capacity, but I'm hoping you're correct. Yes, when considering tongue weight, I can see this rating lowered, but I'd love to see just one spec refer to 10,000#. I'm buying a 2018, 3407.
That info I posted is from the specs for the 2020 Ventana. The 5,000# rating might have been all they specs showed for the 2018 models.
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Thanks, Mitch. This is the most invisible rating I can imagine! The numbers I see only specify 5,000# towing capacity, but I'm hoping you're correct. Yes, when considering tongue weight, I can see this rating lowered, but I'd love to see just one spec refer to 10,000#. I'm buying a 2018, 3407.

the 2018 Newmar Ventana brochure shows GCWR to be 10k higher than GVWR.


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F-B...that's correct. That should be the rating on the coach. So why do they state it as 5,000#? The 5000# hitch is built a little less stout than the 10,000# hitch, in my experience. I might have to "beef" it up a bit if that's the case.
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Make sure you are not comparing the LE series to the upgraded Ventana. My previous LE was rated 5K while the current Ventana is rated at 10K. 2014 and 2017 respectively.
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Ron, that should be correct. Freightliner tells me they put a 15,000# hitch on this rig, but of course, it isn't rated to pull that. I think 10,000# is the number. And of course, the LE is going to be less...that's why I wanted to avoid that model.

BTW....How is this little Ventana going to do pulling a 5800# tow car? I'm hoping it's got enough power to do it....
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As a follow up...I took delivery of this coach and it has a 10,000# hitch. I've een towing my 5800# car these past 3 days and mucy confess it does pretty well. NOT like the old 500 hp rig, but respectable. Don't think I'd recommend towing much more, though.
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Some additional information for the forum. My "new to me" 2016 Ventana LE 4037 has a towing capacity of 5,000 lbs. with Freightliner's "standard" air bag suspension for the rear axle --> https://cdn.fccchq.com/specsheets/20...Ventana-LE.pdf

Since purchasing my Ventana LE, I learned that the towing capacity for the 2018 Ventana LE 4037 increased to 10,000 lbs. with the new "V-Ride" suspension for the rear axle --> https://cdn.fccchq.com/specsheets/20...Ventana-LE.pdf

A mechanical engineer / Freightliner chassis expert in the forum will need to advise how the V-Ride suspension adds more towing capacity when the chassis weight, engine, transmission, etc. are the same for the 2016 and 2018 XCR chassis (40 foot single rear axle type). Me, a dumb chemical engineer, doesn't understand how the V-Ride suspension increases towing capacity.

My 2016 Ventana LE thus far has no problems flat towing my 2016 Jeep Wrangler Sahara Unlimited which has a curb weight of ~4,000 lbs. But then my journeys have been limited to Dallas, the Texas Hill Country and Baton Rouge.
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Mike, I'm still trying to figure out the "method of their madness" in rating these coaches. I know some of this is driven by the transmission rating, which is driven by the engine torque. I think you have the MH2500 Allison, which definitely should have a lighter towing rating. Then there is the weight on the hitch...with lower capacity rear axle/tires, they de-rate the towing capacity also. But with most of us flat towing, that typically isn't an issue. Overall, so much of this is driven by how much you can "push" the mechanical capacity of the various components. So, theoretically, I suppose you could tow your car with a motorbike, as long as you can live poor performance and installing a new engine every few months!
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We had a Tiffin Red 38qra and towed a crewcab pickup or 20ft enclosed trlr loaded up and never had to get a new engine. The Red had a 5000 lb rating as well and the sticker on the hitch came off and it was a 10k hitch. Supposedly the lower rating was because of the 2500 series Allison. Although a little slow on some hills it did just fine. Watch the temps and enjoy life, thats what i did.
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How a hitch is mounted and what it is mounted to also play a role.
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