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Old 01-06-2019, 01:39 PM   #1
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Thoughts on Some Basic Equipment

Since we are currently not RV owners, we are purchasing most of the basic necessities prior to the pickup of our NH in a couple months or so. I am planning to buy a Valterra DO4-0275 Dominator 20' sewer hose and a 10' extension to match, a Renator M11-0660R water pressure regulator valve, Valterra F02-4350 Reverse RV Flush Valve, Valterra T58 Twist‑on Waste Valve, and a Viair 400P-RV. This is not at all a complete list, just some things. Any opinions on any or all these items?


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Extra sewer hoses are handy, but storage can be a problem. A lot of the storage tubes require removal of the end fittings. Here is a link to one that does not: https://www.dwincorp.com/product/sup...le-super-tube/
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Spend the extra $ and get a 450P viair with a 100% duty cycle.

Not sure why you want to bother with a back flush valve but to each his own. Use lots of water during flush, use HC powder in each tank, never leave your black or grey tank valves open and dump the black only with at least 1/2 tank and flush well and you'll be just fine.

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Extra sewer hoses are handy, but storage can be a problem. A lot of the storage tubes require removal of the end fittings. Here is a link to one that does not: https://www.dwincorp.com/product/sup...le-super-tube/

Thank you for that link. Excellent idea and the product really seems well built.
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Because we are switching from our motorhome to a NH 5th wheel we already have a bunch of the stuff that will switch over luckily. About the only thing we need to get for sure will be wheel chocks.
You on the other hand may want to think about a water softener and maybe even a external water filter unless you are doing something special inside.
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Spend the extra $ and get a 450P viair with a 100% duty cycle.

Not sure why you want to bother with a back flush valve but to each his own. Use lots of water during flush, use HC powder in each tank, never leave your black or grey tank valves open and dump the black only with at least 1/2 tank and flush well and you'll be just fine.

https://www.amazon.com/Happy-Campers...tank+treatment

You know with the Viair, that's actually what I meant to list. My intention was to buy the 450, not the 400. Glad you mentioned that.
And I'm not sure why on the backflush valve either. Guess it just seemed like a good idea and I've read so many issues with tanks not emptying completely and causing problems later. What do you think about the Valterra T58 twist on valve to avoid "cap leakage"? I guess if the tank valve is working appropriately and doesn't leak, that would be unnecessary as well?
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Because we are switching from our motorhome to a NH 5th wheel we already have a bunch of the stuff that will switch over luckily. About the only thing we need to get for sure will be wheel chocks.
You on the other hand may want to think about a water softener and maybe even a external water filter unless you are doing something special inside.

Thanks for the suggestion, Dave. We do plan to buy and use a water softener and I haven't decided how I will handle the filtration yet. I've looked at the deionization systems, but gosh that's a lot of installation and "stuff" to deal with. We may do it for the kitchen only.....not sure yet.
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You know with the Viair, that's actually what I meant to list. My intention was to buy the 450, not the 400. Glad you mentioned that.
And I'm not sure why on the backflush valve either. Guess it just seemed like a good idea and I've read so many issues with tanks not emptying completely and causing problems later. What do you think about the Valterra T58 twist on valve to avoid "cap leakage"? I guess if the tank valve is working appropriately and doesn't leak, that would be unnecessary as well?
Rather than the valve, buy a clear elbow. They come in 45, 90 deg or straight depending on what suits your system. Much better investment.
Your rig will come with a cap that seals the valve to prevent any leaks that could occur with the valve closed.
The reason people have issues with build up in tanks is Poor Tank Maintenance. NEVER leave your dump valves open. That is the number one cause of a build up of solids in the tank. Always try to dump your tanks when at least half full or more.
Charge the black tank with a scoop of HC and a couple gallons of water. Don't be stingy using water to flush.
We've used Costco toilet paper and HC for years and have Never had a problem with our tanks.
Use the clear elbow in conjunction with the dump hose to indicate when the system is clear while dumping and using the city water Black Tank Flush.


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Don't be in a rush to buy all these gizmos. Get used to your rig first and then decide what you need and what is the Nice to Have stuff.
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Your rig will come with a cap that seals the valve to prevent any leaks that could occur with the valve closed.

The way I understood the usage of the T58 twist-on valve was to use it in place of the cap. With the cap, if there is leakage and you remove the cap, the leaked material spills out on the ground or your hands. The Valterra shutoff would be a fail-safe to prevent that. However, as long as the tank valve is not leaking, it's just another thing to mess with I guess. Thank you very much for your feedback.
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Instead of Valtera hose consider the Waste Master hose I got one and I am very please with it.
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Since we are currently not RV owners, we are purchasing most of the basic necessities prior to the pickup of our NH in a couple months or so. I am planning to buy a Valterra DO4-0275 Dominator 20' sewer hose and a 10' extension to match, a Renator M11-0660R water pressure regulator valve, Valterra F02-4350 Reverse RV Flush Valve, Valterra T58 Twist‑on Waste Valve, and a Viair 400P-RV. This is not at all a complete list, just some things. Any opinions on any or all these items?


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There is a lot of good information here. I can only speak from my own experience.

The NH Majestic has a separate sewer hose compartment, screen open at the bottom, to carry sewer hoses. Great idea! I carry 3 10' Valterra sewer hoses with caps and one 5' hose with a 6" clear straight connection with caps. In this way, I can make the shortest run from outlet to ground connection inlet possible. In 6 years of full-timing, the longest sewer run I have had to make was 35' (thus the hoses) in Thermopolis, WY. I also carry a separate clear container that contains a (cheap) flow restriction water regulator in a Ziplock bag, a connection elbow with attached 6" straight clear connection glued to the elbow, a 45 degree straight elbow with donut, and one 45 degree clear elbow. Add two wheel chocks. That is what is inside the sewer hose compartment. And there is probably room for 3 more sewer hoses!

When I connect the sewer hose, I simply hold the hose end beneath the cap as I remove it to catch any latent drainage in the pipe. Oh, however, I did change out the standard sewer end cap for one that has a hose connection on it. When we are at our daughter's house/acreage, we run a standard 100' garden hose from the connection out into the woods to drain gray water. We have a macerator pump and hose to drain into their septic tank stored in their barn.

Oh, BTW, get a pack of 100 Nitrile gloves from Home Depot or Walmart to ALWAYS use when handling sewer items.

Now, besides the regular black tank treatment, once or twice a month, I add a cup of Sodium Carbonate to the black tank. Sodium Carbonate is a "water softener" that is contained within detergents, Calgon water bath crystals, etc. In the olden days of "washing soap", we would add this to the water in the Maytag wringer washer in western Oklahoma to soften the water to clean clothes. Today, it is on the shelf in the washing detergent aisle in a yellow box labeled "Arm and Hammer Wash Soda". (NOT, the orange box of Baking Soda - that is Bicarbonate! You want Sodium Carbonate.) Sodium Carbonate combines with the calcium and magnesium of hard water to make "water slick". It also helps in combining with the fats in the waste solution to clean the tank and break down toilet tissue.

As far a toilet tissue is concerned, Walmart carries Scott RV toilet tissue in the RV section. Scott RV toilet tissue is magnitudes better than Camco, Thedford, or any other RV toilet tissue we have used - most RV tissues remind you of traveling in Europe. Highly recommend Scott RV toilet tissue.

The black tank and gray tank flush on NH is great. Much better than the flush systems offered on DRV or Keystone (my experience). I see no need for other flush systems. However, I would also recommend during orientation with Harold, before using the black or gray tank system, hook a hose up to the flush system and run it for 4 or 5 minutes. See if those connections leak behind the waterworks wall. Mine did, but they were fixed correctly when we returned for warranty work. Our connections do not leak now. (Also, get Harold to help you sanitize the fresh water system.)

I have the same water regulator. However, I connected it to the elbow then added a 3' fresh water hose. The regulator is inside the waterworks area. As you know, we cold weather camp (fresh powder at Wolf Creek!), so the regulator is in the warmed waterworks area and safe from freezing. The 3' fresh water hose loops around and connects to the fresh water hose or heated hose at the input port at the floor.

There is a whole RV filter system standard on the NH. I didn't care much for the standard filter. I replaced it with a simple 5 micron sediment filter and change that every 3 to 4 months. Of course, we do have a Reverse Osmosis system with a sink faucet and refrigerator connection. I do not like the whole RV system that dumps permeate into the fresh water tank. I prefer the less wasteful point-of-use system.

We do not have a water softener for our RV. We have not found anywhere in the western US to date that compares to the hard water of western Oklahoma in the 1950s! Well water at that time was so hard that in Seiling, OK you could pour a glass of water and drive a 16 penny nail in red oak with it! In our travels, we have yet to find water that is hard enough to cause us to want a softener. But it is a personal preference. Just not ours. I am much more concerned about what is in the water, thus the RO system, than its hardness. As a geologist, I can elaborate on this nightmare but won't.

If nothing else, look at putting an Ultra-Violet finish on the kitchen and refrigerator pipes. It won't help with Chromium-6 or lead, but it will zap organic nasties.

I agree with Dennis45, don't run out and buy a bunch of "crap" . We have discarded a bunch of it and what we have now works. A lot of what you mention would be necessary if you were purchasing a Keystone! But what you are getting is a New Horizons. Big difference!

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Upgrade the air compressor as mentioned above. Not sure what size unit you are getting but the tires hold lots of high pressure air. Also a 50 Amp extension is a nice addition.
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Upgrade the air compressor as mentioned above. Not sure what size unit you are getting but the tires hold lots of high pressure air. Also a 50 Amp extension is a nice addition.

I definitely will do the 450. What length would you recommend for a 50A extension based on your experience in various campsites?
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I definitely will do the 450. What length would you recommend for a 50A extension based on your experience in various campsites?
I packed this one around when we had our Dutchstar. Came in handy a couple of times. I think 15' is all you need.

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