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Old 02-03-2019, 08:35 AM   #1
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Some Advice for anyone considering a Travel Supreme MH or just recently purchased one

When moving up from a short gasser to a 45 foot DP we fell in love with the Travel Supreme.
The floorplans, elegance, and build quality are just awesome, even considering the newest models are 10 years old.
Like anyone these days we searched the internet for any and all info on TS motorhomes, and like anything else there were lots of good and lots of bad. (comments, reviews, etc.)
Also, like anything else, a lot of both the good and the bad were based on rumor, disgruntled individuals, and info passed on from someoneís uncle who knew the sister of a guy that dated a TS owner.

The most glaring concern we came away with was the windshield popping out and cross bracing issue. We really couldnít get a good handle on the seriousness of this as well as the effectiveness of the cross bracing. Almost scared us off even considering a TS.

Finally, we did a similar search, of Tiffinís and other models, and while not mentioned as often it seems all the long rigs have windshield issues. Most likely not to the extent of TS.
So donít let the windshield issue scare you off. It is manageable and all of the long motorhomes share this problem , to some extent. Just make sure it has the cross bracing (to what extent and by who) or is priced appropriately so you can get the bracing done.

Given this we narrowed our search for TS models with the cross bracing. During our search we found all dealer salesman clueless about windshields and cross bracing (many outright lied) and many owners less than knowledgeable about the cross bracing (how much was done and by who). Most of them were second and third owners.

Finally found a 2004 with 90,000 miles and were amazed at what good condition it was in mechanically and cosmetically. Had (as best I can tell) all of the cross bracing done by Paul (but not the windshield hoop) and (once again as best as can be ascertained) it has had no windshield problems in the last 10 years.

The first advice is take everything you hear with an air of skepticism and then verify as best you can.
INSPECT and DRIVE before purchase, even spend a night or 2 in it if possible. If you donít have the skills or inclination to inspect it your self get help from a knowledgeable individual. If available go through the maintenance and purchase receipts from the prior owner/s.

NEVER trust a salesperson. If you have done your homework you already know more than they do.

Your best friend is this forum and the IRV2 forums in general. You donít have to read every post in this forum but I would scan the title of every thread in this forum and read those you think applicable or important.
Once you own it this forum is still your best friend. Someone here wil already have faced and resolved every problem you will encounter.
The MH ownerís manual is only somewhat useful. Remember a MH is only a chassis and shell containing many different systems and appliances. If they arenít with the MH obtain manuals for every system and appliance in the MH. These will answer most of your operational and maintenance questions.

As soon as you get your new MH home park in a nearby campground and spend a week in it. Crawl over every square inch of it, including the basement, noting all the switches, knobs, and buttons. If something is amiss our you donít understand it, make a written note and take a picture.

Once you have your list of all you donít understand and what doesnít work find a service center or person with a good local reputation to fix and or educate you on all issues. You will find much of what you think doesnít work is really you just didnít know how to make it work.

Then continue to read, learn, and enjoy.
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Very good advice for a new owner or old owner
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Old 02-03-2019, 09:45 AM   #3
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When moving up from a short gasser to a 45 foot DP we fell in love with the Travel Supreme.

The floorplans, elegance, and build quality are just awesome, even considering the newest models are 10 years old.
Like anyone these days we searched the internet for any and all info on TS motorhomes, and like anything else there were lots of good and lots of bad. (comments, reviews, etc.)

Also, like anything else, a lot of both the good and the bad were based on rumor, disgruntled individuals, and info passed on from someoneís uncle who knew the sister of a guy that dated a TS owner.

The most glaring concern we came away with was the windshield popping out and cross bracing issue. We really couldnít get a good handle on the seriousness of this as well as the effectiveness of the cross bracing. Almost scared us off even considering a TS.

Just as a point of reference - windows Popping out - TS is not alone - Many others have had this Issue, just as a group TS has been very Vocal. (JMHO)

Finally, we did a similar search, of Tiffinís and other models, and while not mentioned as often it seems all the long rigs have windshield issues. Most likely not to the extent of TS.



So donít let the windshield issue scare you off. It is manageable and all of the long motorhomes share this problem , to some extent. Just make sure it has the cross bracing (to what extent and by who) or is priced appropriately so you can get the bracing done.

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Given this we narrowed our search for TS models with the cross bracing. During our search we found all dealer salesman clueless about windshields and cross bracing (many outright lied) and many owners less than knowledgeable about the cross bracing (how much was done and by who). Most of them were second and third owners.

- as even the youngest is 10 years old .

Finally found a 2004 with 90,000 miles and were amazed at what good condition it was in mechanically and cosmetically. Had (as best I can tell) all of the cross bracing done by Paul (but not the windshield hoop) and (once again as best as can be ascertained) it has had no windshield problems in the last 10 years.

Short story - my 2005 had an issue with the windshield - TS installed the Cross Bracing and other than Impact issues to the Windshield we have had, No Problem (Knock on Wood )

The first advice is take everything you hear with an air of skepticism and then verify as best you can.
INSPECT and DRIVE before purchase, even spend a night or 2 in it if possible. If you donít have the skills or inclination to inspect it yourself get help from a knowledgeable individual. If available go through the maintenance and purchase receipts from the prior owner/s.

Good advice -

NEVER trust a salesperson. If you have done your homework you already know more than they do.

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Your best friend is this forum and the IRV2 forums in general. You donít have to read every post in this forum but I would scan the title of every thread in this forum and read those you think applicable or important.

Once you own it this forum is still your best friend. Someone here will already have faced and resolved every problem you will encounter.

Most but not all -

The MH ownerís manual is only somewhat useful. Remember a MH is only a chassis and shell containing many different systems and appliances. If they arenít with the MH obtain manuals for every system and appliance in the MH. These will answer most of your operational and maintenance questions.

- Not Much of a Manual -

As soon as you get your new MH home park in a nearby campground and spend a week in it. Crawl over every square inch of it, including the basement, noting all the switches, knobs, and buttons. If something is amiss our you donít understand it, make a written note and take a picture.

Never - NEVER enough Pictures.

Once you have your list of all you donít understand and what doesnít work find a service center or person with a good local reputation to fix and or educate you on all issues. You will find much of what you think doesnít work is really you just didnít know how to make it work.

Then continue to read, learn, and enjoy.
IMHO great write up - Biggest thing is to ENJOY and USE

Enjoy the Coach and post a few Pictures,
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This post should become a sticky. Excellent summary.
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Old 02-04-2019, 05:33 PM   #8
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Very well said. Just saw a 20 year old TSS fifth wheel in the HHI Marina resort.
Looked beautiful and you can see our motorhomes had a great heritage.
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Old 05-22-2019, 01:00 PM   #9
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Just some follow up.

We are in our 8th month of ownership and we have worked off most of the problems, gotten all the systems working and believe we have a working knowledge of most systems/appliances. We were fortunate in that the prior owners took excellent care of this RV, kept accurate maintenance records, and spared no expense in repairs or preventive maintenance. We pretty much have a new 15 year old Travel Supreme.

90% of our problems have been lack of knowledge on how to turn on/use systems and appliances. The balance have been minor, easy to deal with, problems. Most extensive and expensive project was getting and hooking up a toad.


This forum (IRV2) and you tube have been absolutely invaluable in showing us how to do, use and operate stuff.
Thanks to all who have responded to my queries and posts.

Going out for a local week long shake down cruise next week then in July starting a 3 month long 5,500 mile Journey out west, across the Northern US and back to the Southeast.
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When moving up from a short gasser to a 45 foot DP we fell in love with the Travel Supreme.
The floorplans, elegance, and build quality are just awesome, even considering the newest models are 10 years old.
Like anyone these days we searched the internet for any and all info on TS motorhomes, and like anything else there were lots of good and lots of bad. (comments, reviews, etc.)
Also, like anything else, a lot of both the good and the bad were based on rumor, disgruntled individuals, and info passed on from someoneís uncle who knew the sister of a guy that dated a TS owner.

The most glaring concern we came away with was the windshield popping out and cross bracing issue. We really couldnít get a good handle on the seriousness of this as well as the effectiveness of the cross bracing. Almost scared us off even considering a TS.

Finally, we did a similar search, of Tiffinís and other models, and while not mentioned as often it seems all the long rigs have windshield issues. Most likely not to the extent of TS.
So donít let the windshield issue scare you off. It is manageable and all of the long motorhomes share this problem , to some extent. Just make sure it has the cross bracing (to what extent and by who) or is priced appropriately so you can get the bracing done.

Given this we narrowed our search for TS models with the cross bracing. During our search we found all dealer salesman clueless about windshields and cross bracing (many outright lied) and many owners less than knowledgeable about the cross bracing (how much was done and by who). Most of them were second and third owners.

Finally found a 2004 with 90,000 miles and were amazed at what good condition it was in mechanically and cosmetically. Had (as best I can tell) all of the cross bracing done by Paul (but not the windshield hoop) and (once again as best as can be ascertained) it has had no windshield problems in the last 10 years.

The first advice is take everything you hear with an air of skepticism and then verify as best you can.
INSPECT and DRIVE before purchase, even spend a night or 2 in it if possible. If you donít have the skills or inclination to inspect it your self get help from a knowledgeable individual. If available go through the maintenance and purchase receipts from the prior owner/s.

NEVER trust a salesperson. If you have done your homework you already know more than they do.

Your best friend is this forum and the IRV2 forums in general. You donít have to read every post in this forum but I would scan the title of every thread in this forum and read those you think applicable or important.
Once you own it this forum is still your best friend. Someone here wil already have faced and resolved every problem you will encounter.
The MH ownerís manual is only somewhat useful. Remember a MH is only a chassis and shell containing many different systems and appliances. If they arenít with the MH obtain manuals for every system and appliance in the MH. These will answer most of your operational and maintenance questions.

As soon as you get your new MH home park in a nearby campground and spend a week in it. Crawl over every square inch of it, including the basement, noting all the switches, knobs, and buttons. If something is amiss our you donít understand it, make a written note and take a picture.

Once you have your list of all you donít understand and what doesnít work find a service center or person with a good local reputation to fix and or educate you on all issues. You will find much of what you think doesnít work is really you just didnít know how to make it work.

Then continue to read, learn, and enjoy.
WELL said article on Travel Supreme's. I bought mine last year and started living in it this May 15,2019. Living The Dream and making my mark on it as previous owner didn't.
Mine is a 2005 Travel Supreme Select 45DSO4 33,000 MILES WITH 12,500 KW CUMMINS Onan Gen set 440 hours
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You’re gonna love yourTS.

We’re on a first week long shakedown cruise after finally getting everything in working order.

If no big issues then we are headed out for a 3 month trip through th west and north central US.
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Just an update and additional suggestion or 2.

Passed 1 year of ownership and 7,500 miles and 4 months on the road.

Had no significant mechanical issues and no show stoppers that stranded us.

Biggest issue was a jack failed and caused the dreaded windshield cracks.
While the jack failure precipitated the crack it was mainly caused by having the wrong size windshield.


Had intermittent gauge problems that were due to a bad ground. This was fixed by adding a new ground wire to the gauge common ground.

And that's the extent of the problems on a 15 year old DP.



As far as suggestions go. Every few months get out your box of system, appliance and rig manuals and re read them as well as peruse the forums again.

It is amazing what new things you can learn because you didn't know enough to learn them the 1st time around.

Don't let age. mileage, or internet posts about windshields deter you from Purchasing an old TS that you like and appears to be in reasonable shape after a thorough looking over.
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I agree!

We've owned our 2007 45DL24 Select Limited for only 2 months. We spent those 2 months cleaning, scrubbing, fixing, adjusting, upgrading and working on this coach. In this process we became more familiar with every system in the coach and how it all works. From basement to roof, it was a ton of work, with still many things to do, but it was well worth it.

We just finished a 4-day shakedown trip within 150 miles of home and we couldn't be happier. The layout is great and it 'lives' very well. The fit and finish of the interior and related systems is terrific, better than the new coaches I reviewed at the latest Hershey RV show. The build quality of the cabinetry, for example, is just top notch. The new coaches have flimsy cabinet doors that will not last like the one in our TS, especially long term. The floors are granite tile, heated, with a pattern that obviously took a lot of time on the production line. The shower is huge, granite lined, with a solid surface shower pan. Any of the 'old' technology is easily replaced with new (satellite TV antenna, washer, TVs), but the build quality is harder to upgrade.

It's a true shame that the previous owner didn't take better care of this coach, allowing it to be infested with rodents, neglected roof maintenance and many items that didn't work. I can't believe someone would let it just age without basic maintenance, adjustment and repairs. However that presents an opportunity for us to do that and get into this coach at a lower cost. The basics are still very strong, most repairs are fairly simple to complete with enough time.

After having this one and our previous 2004 Coachmen, I am convinced the older ones are better built and will last longer. Your mileage may vary

I hope to keep this one for a long time.

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