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Old 04-04-2010, 09:03 AM   #1
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Want to buy Travel Supreme

We art full timers with a 2004 Tiffin Phaeton 40'. We have been looking at Travel Supreme and it seems that you get a whole bunch more for your money with TS. I would assume that is because they are out of business. TS has everything we want for full time living. What are the down sides and up sides to TS? We want to buy a 42' 2005 or 2006 non Select. I need members comments and suggestions. I have looked in Ebay, Crankyape, DeMartini, etc. for the motorhomes. I am hoping to get the price around tradein value. Some suggestions please or if there is someone who wants to sell their TS, let me know. Thanks. John B
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Old 04-04-2010, 11:58 AM   #2
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You may not get many responses to your post because I didn't when I asked the same question. It's the type of question that can deteriorate the thread into “Mine is better than yours” situation very quickly. That being said, as a fulltimer and someone who has recently purchased a new to me coach and recognize the legitimacy of your question I will attempt to answer as best I can.


My previous coach was a 37' 2000 Itasca Suncruiser Ford V10. A Travel Supreme was on my top three list.


Interior: Once you have settled on a layout look for:
  1. Solid wood cabinetry and many of them.
  2. Fit and finish.
  3. Ball bearing draw slides.
  4. Washer-less faucets.
  5. Non-carpeted floor(maybe just the bedroom).
  6. Large counter space.
  7. Stacked washer and dryer. However they take up space that my be more important.
  8. 2-15K air conditioners, ducted air.
  9. Hydronic heating and water heater.

Exterior and Storage:

  1. Window awnings.
  2. The more storage and cargo carrying capacity the better.
  3. A draw slide in the pass thru storage compartment. Not essential but nice and can be added later.
  4. Fuse and electrical panels should be readily accessible. Cables in a neat bundle and being marked is a plus.

Misc:
  1. Weigh your coach with full tank of gas, full tank of propane and half tank of water before you load your stuff. This will give you a baseline for loading your coach. You can always adjust your weight by adjusting your liquid quantities.
  2. Know where your tanks are located in the coach and how the variation of liquid will affect the weight distribution in the coach. For example: fuel will be consumed and will lighten the total weight of the coach, although to one axle more than another. Your water tank will transfer load affecting weight distribution to various degrees and also the way the coach may handle.

One last but very important feature is handling. Naturally, handling is affected by how you load the coach but the die is cast at the point of manufacture and different manufacturers handle weight distribution better than others so the initial weighing is important. Specific to the Travel Supreme, handling varies widely between length and model.


As a fulltimer, I'm sure I've mentioned things that you already know and some of my approaches may be unorthodox but they work for me, I hope they help you.
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Old 04-05-2010, 09:17 AM   #3
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Hey, thank you very much.
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Old 04-07-2010, 09:23 PM   #4
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I believe your statement ".. that you get a whole bunch more for your money with TS" is extremely true and accurate for two reasons. First, as you identified they are out of business and that scares many people away. I don't fully agree with that logic, because with a used rig you are most likely already out of the motorhome manufacturers warranty period and a majority of the appliances/parts are industry standards that are common to most motorhomes. Nothing is so unique that it can't be repaired or fabricated by a third party if necessary. Also, any remaining warranty on the drivetrain and/or appliances is still valid from the manufacturer of those parts.

Secondly, TS was originally know for high quality fivers and got into the motorhome business relatively late in the game (late 90's into 2000ís). Because of this they were not as popular in the motorhome circles and I have found that many experienced RVíers and even campground owners/staff are not familiar with the TS line. Iíve had people come up to me many times complementing the rig and then asking who makes Travel Supreme, believing that TS is a model for some other manufacturer.

With that said, I believe the TS motorhomes are underrated by a majority of RV buyers, which is probably a good thing for us who are familiar with the product and are looking to make a purchase. When we decided to move up to a DP, our list was extremely short with TS on the top. Using the items identified above (ie: cabinetry, tile work, fit and finish, ducted A/C, insulated glass, Spartan chassis, Cargo Carrying Capacity, construction methods, etc.) I think you will find that in the price range, you will be hard pressed to do any better than TS.

Although we have only owned our rig for about a year now, we have experienced no real issues and I have been impressed in what I have seen in the overall construction. I am an engineer by occupation and I do all my own maintenance, so I have a pretty much climbed into, over and under every area of our motorhome. I have yet to find something that I felt was substandard or a compromise. Obviously, at this point I am bias towards the TS, but prior to making this purchase I went into this with an open mind. Excluding the high end Prevost/Newell/Marathon bus conversions, I would put both Travel Supreme and Foretravel at the top of the list.

DISCLAIMER: This is my OPINION and does not mean my motorhome is better than that owned by anyone else, so please donít start flaming me or taking my OPINION as criticism on any other manufacturer. This is only my OPINION.

Good luck with your search and I believe you will be pleased in what you will see with the Travel Supremes.

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Old 04-07-2010, 10:36 PM   #5
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It's my understanding that Jayco bought the TS plant and now builds a class A coach called "Insignia" here's their site:Jayco 2010

We looked at the TS coaches before they shut down operations and they appear to be an above average quality coach.

Here's links to a 2008 for sale, looks great but a bit pricey:2008*Travel Supreme*Select Limited w/4 Slides*listed on RVOnline.com

And a link to a 2010 for sale:2010*Travel Supreme /Entegra*Select Cornerstone Bath & 1/2*listed on RVOnline.com

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Old 04-07-2010, 11:32 PM   #6
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Brandon, when TS was in business they offered more value for the $ than about any other higher-end coach I could find. Now that they are belly-up, prices have gone even lower, but I wouldn't let that be a deterrent. I bought mine new in 2006 and have been full timing in it since and have not regretted my decision. Maintaining it is no problem at all.

You can find used ones by simply Googling, but you can also try the Travel Supreme Motorhome Owners Association forum on the Google boards. Discussions - Travel Supreme Motorhome/5th Wheel Owners | Google Groups

If I couldn't find a suitable TS, I'd be looking at that outfit located in Red Bay for one of their Zephyrs. That, I feel, is the best-bang-for-the-buck mfr. out there at this time.
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Old 04-08-2010, 08:39 AM   #7
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Thanks Lou for taking the tme to respond. The last thing I want is to buy an RV and find out that the manufacturer skimps and puts substandard parts in their RV. I have found out just what you said, that TS is was a top notch manufacturer who would not compromise on their quality. Some think that was the reason they went out of business. That's a shame, but reality. I have not heard anyone say anything bad about TS. I believe we are making the right decision. I just wish I could afford a Select, but not enough dinero or credit huevos. Now, does anyone know a trusted inspector in northern California around Sacremento. I am buying the coach from DeMartini's outside of Sacremento. Does anyone have comments on them. Thanks again for your time and effort. John Brandon
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Thanks Bob and Carol. Please see the response I gave Lou befoe you. Again, I appreciate the time you gave to help me. It's TS all the way. Do you know about DiMartini RV outside Sacremento? It would help to find out about them. Thanks, John
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john, there's a nice 42 envoy for sale at motor home specialists in tx. www.mhsrv.com asking 159,000 19,000 mi. looks nice! jim
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John, Motorhome specialist was the largest volume TS dealer around. Always seemed to have the best pricing...I know TS owners from all over the Country who bought through them. I bought mine there also, so know them very well.

Call the GM, Donnie O'Bannion and ask him what he has and what might be coming in. He's NOT high pressure and will treat you well.
The good news is there are a lot of very nice TS units out there. Enjoy your search.
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Old 04-09-2010, 08:30 AM   #11
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Thanks to all of you who answered. I checked the MHS in Alvarado TX. They have an ESSEX 2003 reasonably priced. Any feedback on older ESSEX motor coaches?
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Just bought a higher milage 2006 TS. Thus for no issues. Also compliments to MHSRV for a proper walk through on this unit.
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John, I would stay with my first instinct and hold out for a TS, don't think you'll regret it, however best of luck with whichever brand you choose.
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Brandon,
Since Tiffin is just about the most respected dealer left standing after the recent financial debacle I was curious what you disliked so much about the Tiffin product that you wanted to buy a product from a bankrupt company?
I have no dog in this hunt in any form or manner so I am asking a question from an uninformed outsiders perspective. I am just curious about your desire to change when most of the Tiffin owners I have talked to are rabid Tiffin fans.
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