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Old 11-10-2015, 12:16 AM   #1
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1250 vs 1950 ft/lbs torque

It is a huge difference! How does it translate in day-to-day driving? Our only drive in a diesel pusher has been in a 2016 Anthem. It was great. Are we better off not test driving a Cornerstone? Is it a night and day difference?

And if it is, is the price difference worth it? And if not, what would you say is a worthwhile value price difference? I think I'm seeing about $100,000 in price after discounts. Is that accurate.

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Old 11-10-2015, 12:21 AM   #2
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It is HUGE, our '02 Dutch Star had the ISC 350/1050 with a Banks kit for 435/1200.
Hills that would slow the ISC down can now be climbed with the cruise control on and usually with the "economy mode" on.

But, at the end of the day we arrive within a few minutes of the old rig anyway! It is fun to have that much power to get up to speed on an on ramp, but as far as translating into time saving? Well, not really!
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Old 11-10-2015, 12:28 AM   #3
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See my other post to you. To sum it up it is the difference in driving it and relaxing while it cruises (floats) down the road. Huge difference over the course of a long day out west, not so much on the east coast. JMHO


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Old 11-10-2015, 06:40 AM   #4
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I think only you as the buyer can determine IF the cost difference is worth it. Yes the torque/hp difference IS going to be noticeable absolutely no question about it.
We wrestled a bit but decided the liveability WAS no different , quality of construction no different, Entegra warranty and support no different.
The best price difference we received was in the $125-135 range higher for the Cornerstone. We decided as full timers over the next 7-8 years that was a lot of diesel fuel, maintenance and campground fees.

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Old 11-10-2015, 06:52 AM   #5
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That is a choice only the buyer can make.

After our trip out west this summer and the passes in CO, CA NV and ID we wished several times we would have spent the other $100,000. Now I am going to work trying to improve the ride of my Anthem....it does not ride or steer as well as my old Mountain Master chassis. There are many times, during our first long trip in the Anthem, we wish we would have bought a CS.
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Old 11-10-2015, 07:04 AM   #6
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My 660 ft/lbs torque has gotten me anywhereI have wanted to go too over the last 13 years.

Would 1250 or 1950 ft/lbs torque been better.
Probably! But I would probably have lost my 10.1 MPG average.
And had loss much more depreciation $$$$ over the years.
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Like most things it's in the eye of the beholder/driver. I've owned both, as several have, and although I haven't driven the Cornerstone much I think it's worth the difference. I believe the K3 chassis, isx, and 4000 Allison is about $80-90000 higher, so if you can buy one for $100,000 difference I'd say that's a pretty good deal. Providing of course you were getting a good price on the Anthem to start with. Noel
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I owned both the 450 and the 600 k3. There is a big difference not only in the HP but but to me much more in the ride and the confidence in the handling. With a bigger chassis, additional airbags, all wheel disc brakes, Hadley air and 4000 pounds additional weight there is little to no body roll, wind drift or tracking lane issues. At least on my coach, 18 wheelers, wind etc... Does not push us around. Very stable driver that can get out of the way. It is all about what you want. None of this life style makes much $ sense.
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X2 on Dusty's post. I balked at going top end on my "first and last coach". The Anthem was a darn fine coach, but $50k in lost depreciation later because I had to have the top of the line, I love my Cornerstone. People call me crazy, but I'd never been able to do 1580 miles in two days in the Anthem...I did it in the Cornerstone, not because I had to, but because it was so easy.
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It is a huge difference! How does it translate in day-to-day driving? Our only drive in a diesel pusher has been in a 2016 Anthem. It was great. Are we better off not test driving a Cornerstone? Is it a night and day difference?



And if it is, is the price difference worth it? And if not, what would you say is a worthwhile value price difference? I think I'm seeing about $100,000 in price after discounts. Is that accurate.



Thank you!

Desert, was that you in the 16 Anthem at LazyDays Tucson?
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Old 11-10-2015, 06:44 PM   #11
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I echo the above. As awesome as that big 600 HP ISX is, it's just the tip of the iceberg, although it is the first thing anyone sees. The rest of the chassis is just as impressive. Test drive one to really see. And be sure to give it a serious test, not just tooling along on a lazy highway. Make it turn, stop, and accelerate. Get on some less than friendly pavement. Real world conditions in other words. Then decide.
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Back when I was a kid, I simply had to have a Buick Gran Sport and then a 442, both big muscle cars of the day. Great fun to own, great fun to drive, could go very fast in a very short period of time. However, consumed massive amount of gas, and really went up massive western Pennsylvania hills no better than a moderate sized engine. Now, this is not exactly parallel, but my first Dynasty coach had a 370 HP Cummins in it, and I drove it up and down every big hill in Colorado while I owned it. It had to work hard on the big hills pushing that 40' Dynasty and toad up the hills. It also routinely downshifted from 6 to 5 on moderate long hills in the foothills and 5 to 4 often on hills like the Appalachian Mountains. Now, I have recently finished a 5000 mile trip through the Smokies and the Appalachian mountains and I am VERY IMPRESSED with what this Cummins ISL 450 was able to do on a much bigger coach. The Allison rarely down-shifted from 6 to 5 even on long upgrades. Maybe once or twice it hit 4th on impressive hills. I personally cannot complain at all with what this 450 was able to do as far as "driveability" is concerned in pulling hills.

I am sure that the 600 would provide a real and significant difference "off the line", pulling a huge three axle stacker trailer, and pulling 15% grades on some backroads in Colorado, but for an additional $50,000 investment (~ engine and transmission only), we felt the improvement was not worth the additional cost. Now, the Cornerstone is more than just an engine and transmission, but the OP was asking about the power, and my experience and advice is to think carefully whether the additional investment is worth the improvement. If money is not an issue, then go for it. If money is an issue at some level or another, then I'm not sure. If you really also want the goodies that the Cornerstone offers, then by all means, spend the money. I may do it sometime, but it won't be for concern over what this 450 can do. As Gene says, JMHO

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My 660 ft/lbs torque has gotten me anywhereI have wanted to go too over the last 13 years.
Would 1250 or 1950 ft/lbs torque been better.
Probably! But I would probably have lost my 10.1 MPG average.
And had loss much more depreciation $$$$ over the years.
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My 660 ft/lbs if torque @ 1440 rpm, (250 hp 3126 Cat), is plenty enough for me.
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I love the big Cummins! I haven't been out west to the Rockies yet so I cannot comment on that. However, I have driven on twisty steep 2 lane roads in the Great Smokies and the performance was great. As for mileage difference, I am averaging very close to 7.0 MPG including Aquahot and minimal generator use. Not really all that bad considering the 25 tons it is moving.


There is that extra expense replacing the rear drive wheels from all the rubber I leave at stop lights.
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