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Old 03-23-2013, 04:22 PM   #15
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All of that is good. However, the problem is the econo mode DOESN'T work!!!! Noel
When you say, "doesn't work". Do you mean that when pressed the mode light does to come on?
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I mean when the button is pushed the light comes on, but there is no change in the shift pattern in the tranny. I suspect Spartan didn't program the econo mode, but I don't know why.
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loisjop

That's an easy fix. Drop in into a Spartan or Cummins shop and have them hook the computer up to the diagnostic port. I'm pretty sure it'd be covered with warranty.
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Gene, I know there is absolutely no difference on mine. If the econo mode is programmed the tranny will stay in o/d a lot longer and shift much quicker from a stop. Mine does neither. I don't know the reason for not programming the econo mode unless they think the 450 Cummins has too much torque under a hard pull.
Mark, do you have any ideas, I know your Tiffin has the econo mode programmed. Noel
You might be on to something:
Not knowing for sure the torque of your 450, I think it was 1550 lbs
or close to that and if you have the allison 4000 that is very close
to the max torque for that transmission as I recall.
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You might be on to something:
Not knowing for sure the torque of your 450, I think it was 1550 lbs
or close to that and if you have the allison 4000 that is very close
to the max torque for that transmission as I recall.
The ISL450 is rated @ 1250 lbs of torque @ 1400 rpm. It's mated to the Allison 3000. Allison keeps pushing up the torque limit of the 3000 to keep ahead of the ISL rating. The Allison 4000 is good to 1750 lbs of torque and is used behind the ISX15. You might call Allison & ask them if there are any limitations to using the econo mode. Personally I've never seen a good reason for using it and in all the discussions I've seen on these forums no one claims a measurable MPG gain from using it.
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I put mine on "ECON" mode as soon as I start the engine. It works well when I go up hills I'm able to shift the trans when I want. On flat roads there is NO difference. deSanford
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The ISL450 is rated @ 1250 lbs of torque @ 1400 rpm. It's mated to the Allison 3000. Allison keeps pushing up the torque limit of the 3000 to keep ahead of the ISL rating. The Allison 4000 is good to 1750 lbs of torque and is used behind the ISX15. You might call Allison & ask them if there are any limitations to using the econo mode. Personally I've never seen a good reason for using it and in all the discussions I've seen on these forums no one claims a measurable MPG gain from using it.
http://www.rvtechlibrary.com/transmissions/specs.pdf
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That particular chart is out of date. Here is the current one:

http://www.allisontransmission.com/s...t=SA3362EN.pdf
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I found that when running in Econo Mode I got really harsh down shifts. When I say harsh I don't mean a little bump, I mean like BAM, so hard that it felt like you hit something on the road. So, I quit using Econo Mode and life is good.
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With Steve's new information my point is made.
Engine is 1250 lbs and the transmission max torque is listed at 1250.
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I suspect that none of the Entegras have the econo mode programmed. The reason I like to use the econo mode is that the motorhome doesn't shift down on every little hill.
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I suspect that none of the Entegras have the econo mode programmed. The reason I like to use the econo mode is that the motorhome doesn't shift down on every little hill.
hey Noel,
When I was at Spartan Last year they told me you won't generally notice a difference between the modes on flat roads, but you will in when in the mountains. Then the economy mode will hold the lower gear longer instead of shifting back and forth in the other mode.
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Dana, you better check your's. I know when driving on a flat road there is no difference, but you can still tell a difference from a standing start and when the tranny down shifts on every hill. My previous two mh's had the allison 3000 and there was a distinct difference between the two modes. I'm going to take mine to allison and have it fixed, unless Spartan can give me a compelling reason not to! Noel

Are you still at Lazydays? Did Whirlpool send your part?
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Still here, fridge was fixed, works great. Glad you told me about the fix. coming by soon?
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