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Old 07-10-2012, 10:40 AM   #15
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Gary, I think the NADA values are just reflections of perception rather than reality. I know that my perception of Tiffin changed dramatically when I started doing some heavy research. I would imagine that the "real" trade in value you will find will be quite high. Demand for the new ones creates and inspires demand for the used ones. I've been tempted to check out on in Saskatoon that is used and looks great. It'a s long way from Buffalo to Saskatoon and I'm still interested.

Hmmm, it's a long way from Buffalo to Saskatoon sounds like it should be a country song. I"m sure someone can work on that one.
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Gary I think your NADA values are more perception than reality. I know my perception of Tiffin has changed dramatically by doing some heavy research. There are very few Entegras out there in the used market. I think you will find that demand for new units will begat demand for used units.

I've even considered going from Buffalo to Saskatoon to check out an Anthem I saw advertised, and I would imagine I'm not alone in considering something like that.
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Old 07-10-2012, 01:36 PM   #17
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I agree 100% Wyntaxman, but when dealers are talking about a msrp of $430,+ selling for $300,000, it certainly has a negative impact on used pricing. In regards to what Kathryn asked: It would certainly seem that you should have trouble getting 30+% off a coach that has a 9 month lead time, but what do I know? I'm not complaining, it's just interesting.
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I think if buyers are in the habit of getting a 34% plus discount it will be hard to change that long lead time or not. As we say in our area "it all comes out in the wash"
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Old 07-11-2012, 02:09 PM   #19
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I think he Mountain Aire would be comparable to the Anthem.
Yep, Kathryn, I think your impression of discounting is spot on, you don't discount when you have a product in demand! But in the wacky world of Entegra dealers, they don't agree! They continue to aggressively discount. Entegra seems to be the only company (havenít checked lately) that dealers are discounting more than 25%. As a buyer, I certainly donít mind the discount but now when I am looking to trade it in, I find the Newmars and Tiffins are worth quite a bit more in comparision using NADA. I donít know if it's the newness of the Entegra name or the actual upfront discounts that are to blame butÖ
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Yes I would think a comparable Mountain Aire would come out higher, because it starts at the same as the Anthem, then you have to add all the "options" that are included as standard on Anthem.

Haven't checked on the Entegra trade-in, but you might get a better price selling it retail to a buyer that doesn't want to wait 9 months!

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The best value in the entire motor home market place by far is the Entegra Cornerstone..... No where else can you find a coach that is built on a K3 chassis with 600HP for anywhere close to the Cornerstone price point.....for those Tiffin lovers out there...... Nope sorry Tiffin does not even build anything on a K3. Tiffins top of the line Zephyr is only on a K2 500HP..... Newmar? Well let's see how about the Mountain Aire? Nope.....Essex? Nadda... You have to move all the way to the 800 thousand dollar King Aire to find something on the K3 with a 600Hp......that's around 250 thousand dollars more then the Cornerstone.......So if you want value....the Cornerstone is where it's at.
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I thought the Cornerstone is on a K2 chassis with 600 HP.

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I thought the Cornerstone is on a K2 chassis with 600 HP.

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Nope the 2013's are on the K3
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Nope the 2013's are on the K3
Thanks for enlightening me. I must have been reading
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Nope the 2013's are on the K3
Thanks for enlightening me. I must have been reading some older info. In either case it's an excellent coach.

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Just came back from texas with my 2013 entegra aspire w/ifs and michelin tires. I have the new deq model. I think fit and finish are excellent and price is outstanding. Utube has a great video on the aspire and rvcruzer.com does an excellent review of an actual construction. Insulation seems to be exceptional.

All biased comments since i just brought mine home from motorhome specialists rv just south of dallas.

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I have to ask.
What makes the k3 600hp so much better than the mountain master 450hp?
I should probably make this a new thread because since I am in the market, I would really like to know. I know some of you are in the process of upgrading to a cornerstone, what was the deal maker? Inside the Anthem and Cornerstone seem pretty similar. Certainly most of the money differences are the chassis and engine, both expensive. I really don't need to be the fastest big fat brick on the road.
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The biggest difference is the chassis frame construction. The K3 appears to use an integrated truss type of frame incorporating the "deeper is cheaper" concept. This means it'lll far surpass the MM in strength and performance, minimizing movement and damage to the supported "house" portion of the MH. Kind of lIke comparing a small Jaipanese car to what's under a Hummer. And those extra ponies in back won't hurt either.
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The best value in the entire motor home market place by far is the Entegra Cornerstone..... No where else can you find a coach that is built on a K3 chassis with 600HP for anywhere close to the Cornerstone price point.....for those Tiffin lovers out there...... Nope sorry Tiffin does not even build anything on a K3. Tiffins top of the line Zephyr is only on a K2 500HP..... Newmar? Well let's see how about the Mountain Aire? Nope.....Essex? Nadda... You have to move all the way to the 800 thousand dollar King Aire to find something on the K3 with a 600Hp......that's around 250 thousand dollars more then the Cornerstone.......So if you want value....the Cornerstone is where it's at.
Randy, since the Cummins ISM 500hp is no longer available, are they using the new small ISX 12 for a 500hp engine?
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