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Old 09-20-2018, 05:01 PM   #1
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Even brake draining my battery

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I am towing my jeep cherokee with a roadmaster and even brake. I also have the toad charge and I have confirmed it is working. When I plug in the even brake it drains the battery. I thought at first it was due to my PS assist, but by process of elimination (forgot my tools this trip) I've isolated it to the brake device. Any ideas? I first noticed it overnight when the monitor warning device alerted me. At that point I had no battery left, or at least not enough to start the car. Once I disconnect the brake, it charges as designed. I''ll have to do some further diagnosis one I return home, but for now, I'm driving with no toad brakes
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My first question would be: Why do you leave the auxiliary brake on when camped for the night? I always remove the key from the toad, disconnect aux. brake, and disconnect the umbilical cord to prevent any current drain overnight. It could be the wiring from the RV to the Toad are inadequate to allow the current needed to maintain the Toad battery. I'd measure the amperage, not just the voltage.
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My first question would be: Why do you leave the auxiliary brake on when camped for the night? I always remove the key from the toad, disconnect aux. brake, and disconnect the umbilical cord to prevent any current drain overnight. It could be the wiring from the RV to the Toad are inadequate to allow the current needed to maintain the Toad battery. I'd measure the amperage, not just the voltage.
I will check both when I return. To answer your question, I have been doing that for twi years with no issues in the past. To further the description, I recharged the car battery this morning adequate to start the car. Then turned off the PS and plugged the brake back in. We drove about an hour and the battery drained again. I have everything plugged in now, but both PS and brake disconnected. I'll hook everything back up in the morning and see what happens
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I will check both when I return. To answer your question, I have been doing that for twi years with no issues in the past. To further the description, I recharged the car battery this morning adequate to start the car. Then turned off the PS and plugged the brake back in. We drove about an hour and the battery drained again. I have everything plugged in now, but both PS and brake disconnected. I'll hook everything back up in the morning and see what happens

I have had 2 different toad batteries go bad in the first year of use. One even passed a load test. Neither one of them would hold a charge over night.
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Check your ICX transmitter. It may be "Stuck" in transmit mode.
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Check your ICX transmitter. It may be "Stuck" in transmit mode.
Will look this morning
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Sick battery if it has worked ok in the past. My Ford Edge eats batteries.

You can spend all kinds of time measuring charging currents and checking draws but we do NOT buy batteries. We RENT them. That is they do not last forever and sometimes they do not even make it to the warranty period.

That said I would check the charging from the RV with the headlights on in the toad to put a bit of a load on the charge line. Charge lines via the little umbilicals can be wimpy and the smallest amount of corrosion or loose screws leads to all kinds of difficulties.
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I have the same exact car and the same exact problem. But I'm using an Airforce 1 and was told they don't use much power. I've been dealing with this issue for 1 year now.
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I have the same exact car and the same exact problem. But I'm using an Airforce 1....

I would say its the car. We have Airforce One with a 2004 Chevy Trailblazer. With a probably 4-5 year old battery.


During our blast down the Alaskan Highway south bound last month, I wasn't thinking and left the car attached for six days. Four of which were driving days. Never started, no charge cable. SUV cranked right over, without any struggle. I was shocked.


I guess the Airforce One really does use little power!


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Do you know how to check for "Parasitic Draw"?


Google it, please.
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Thanks everyone. This trip is an emergency trip. Being such, I forgot all my tools so I can't check things. After a full charge the battery lasted ~6 hours yesterday. I will have to tow home with no brakes or PS assist.

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Thanks everyone. This trip is an emergency trip. Being such, I forgot all my tools so I can't check things. After a full charge the battery lasted ~6 hours yesterday. I will have to tow home with no brakes or PS assist.

Have a great day!
Excellent indication the battery has reached the end of it's serviceable life or the cables are dirty. If it is the OEM battery, it was mine on the Jeep Liberty that didn't make it a year.
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Update (somewhat anecdotal)
We left Ft Lauderdale yesterday morning with a fully charged battery. For this trip, I hooked up only the PS assist, o even brake. Drove into the night and arrived with a fully charged battery. Prior to leaving, we drove the car, starting and stopping to several locations with no indication of a weak battery. Since the PS is engaged all the time, and the even brake only when braking, I think the EB is the problem, not the car battery. Like I said, this is somewhat anecdotal.
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If you really want to keep a "remote" battery charged, it takes a battery to battery charger, not just a "connection".

Every battery type and every battery temperature condition changes the charge voltage and conditions required to make them last.

Even if you have identical engine start batteries in your RV (located near the engine compartment), the charging conditions for your TOAD in an engine compartment that is cooler will be different. Inevitably there is also voltage drop from the RV to the toad.

This partial charging is about as tough on a lead acid battery as it gets.

Example battery to battery chargers are ctek and sterling, probably there are also others.

An alternative is to have a small solar panel in your toad and use it to keep the starter battery charged up.

None of this will completely eliminate the problem, but it will reduce it significantly.
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