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06-19-2017, 05:22 PM
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ISL-Check Engine Light
Headed to National Indoor RV Center and the check engine light just came on. Any suggestions as to how to determine the problem will be appreciated. ISL engine. I do not see any indication of fluid leaks. Engine temp is 203 and trans temp is 206. Oil pressure is 50-60 psi. DEF level is 3/4.
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Keith & Carol Winfield
Former owners of 2013 Entegra Anthem w/ Ford F150 FMCA-F211651
Starkville, MS - Home of Mississippi State University
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06-19-2017, 05:33 PM
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Check your Freightliner or Spartan manual to see if you can retrieve codes thru the console display. Then call them with the codes and they'll tell you what system is affected.
The Cummins ISL uses a software suite called "Insite"...which is a subscription service from Cummins. It runs on a laptop with a 9-pin data link connector to connect to your coach. It reads the codes and supplies troubleshooting guidance to the technician.
We've had occurrences twice...and I just called Freightliner. They had it towed to the nearest Freightliner shop for service, since it was under warranty.
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06-19-2017, 05:44 PM
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Keith, I would suggest contacting either Spartan, or Cummins and ask them to walk you through this process the first time.
The codes can typically be retrieved by using the control arrows to navigate through the DIC (Driver Information Center) menus. The DIC is that thing that indicated temps, MOG, etc.
The means to retrieve these codes involve having the brake set, trans in neutral, then (IIRC) RT. ARROW to scroll through the menu choices until you locate DIAGNOSTICS, then DN. ARROW to the menu titled FAULT CODES.
If the above doesn't work, try it the other way around. I typically have to do this a couple of times to get what I need.
I typically take a picture, then open the Entegra App, which has a Cummins Fault Code decoder. This will translate your code into the Cummins code which can then help in deciding what to do.
Ordinarily a CEL will clear itself if the problem is transient, after a certain number of key ON cycles. If the problem is significant enough, and affects things like emissions, it can derate and make driving very difficult if ignored.
Good luck and please keep us posted.
-Matt
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06-19-2017, 06:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt D
Keith, I would suggest contacting either Spartan, or Cummins and ask them to walk you through this process the first time.
The codes can typically be retrieved by using the control arrows to navigate through the DIC (Driver Information Center) menus. The DIC is that thing that indicated temps, MOG, etc.
The means to retrieve these codes involve having the brake set, trans in neutral, then (IIRC) RT. ARROW to scroll through the menu choices until you locate DIAGNOSTICS, then DN. ARROW to the menu titled FAULT CODES.
If the above doesn't work, try it the other way around. I typically have to do this a couple of times to get what I need.
I typically take a picture, then open the Entegra App, which has a Cummins Fault Code decoder. This will translate your code into the Cummins code which can then help in deciding what to do.
Ordinarily a CEL will clear itself if the problem is transient, after a certain number of key ON cycles. If the problem is significant enough, and affects things like emissions, it can derate and make driving very difficult if ignored.
Good luck and please keep us posted.
-Matt
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Matt, where do I find the app? I got the codes. Both were from the engine. SPN 4364 FMI 18 & SPN 4094 FMI 31. Can you give me some insight?
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Keith & Carol Winfield
Former owners of 2013 Entegra Anthem w/ Ford F150 FMCA-F211651
Starkville, MS - Home of Mississippi State University
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06-19-2017, 06:20 PM
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Keith let me get home and I'll look those up.
-Matt
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06-19-2017, 06:30 PM
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Matt, Found the codes on the forum. DEF system issues. Will limp to service in the morning. Thanks for the help.
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Former owners of 2013 Entegra Anthem w/ Ford F150 FMCA-F211651
Starkville, MS - Home of Mississippi State University
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06-19-2017, 07:21 PM
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Keith, I found the SCR Efficiency code, but not the other one.
A couple of easy things you can do as you journey to NIRVC..
-When starting, let the Wait To Start and amber CEL light extinguish before attempting a start. The CEL may take 45-60 seconds to extinguish. If your codes are still active, the CEL may not extinguish at all. In that case, I'd fire it up after a minute regardless.
-Avoid idling for any time more than necessary. Don't "warm up" or "cool down" any more than absolutely necessary.
-Ensure you have a fresh load of DEF.
NIRVC can get a Cummins guy to visit your coach, but it may prove logistically easier to get service at Cummins.
Best Regards,
-Matt
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2012 Tiffin Phaeton 40QKH (Our Phaeton was so nice, we bought it twice)
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06-20-2017, 05:34 AM
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Spartan told me the color of lights have meaning.....
Yellow Check Engine light - Okay to run, drive to get fixed
Red check Engine light - Pullover, shutdown engine, call for help
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06-20-2017, 05:54 AM
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Entegra Owners Club
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Finding the meaning of the code is important. If it is DEF issue, it will do as Dave said go into limp mode in so many miles. If it is a minor DEF issue just the yellow CEL. I would not try to continue on until the meaning of the code is confirmed. JMO.
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06-20-2017, 06:36 AM
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Keith, I think it would be prudent to contact Spartan or Cummins to determine exactly what is happening.
We recently had an amber CEL relating to emissions that would eventually lead to a derate and could ultimately result in a 5 MPH speed.
Better safe than sorry in my opinion.
-Matt
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06-20-2017, 01:22 PM
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Made it to Georgia Welcome Station. "Red-Stop Engine" light came on just as I pulled in. Working with Coach Net to get mobile mechanic to come to me. All three codes indicate DEF system issue. Hopefully repairs can be done without towing as towing this big thing is a challenge. Thanks for all the responses.
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Keith & Carol Winfield
Former owners of 2013 Entegra Anthem w/ Ford F150 FMCA-F211651
Starkville, MS - Home of Mississippi State University
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06-20-2017, 05:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mississippi
Made it to Georgia Welcome Station. "Red-Stop Engine" light came on just as I pulled in. Working with Coach Net to get mobile mechanic to come to me. All three codes indicate DEF system issue. Hopefully repairs can be done without towing as towing this big thing is a challenge. Thanks for all the responses.
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Sorry to say, but from sharing with others that had that problem, it was a Cummins shop for repairs. One forum member had to wait a week for one of the parts, lucky the part came from Atlanta, he was in MT. Those DEF codes need immediate attention, they have a very short fuse. Hope yours is a simple fix
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06-20-2017, 06:13 PM
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IF you must be towed...from my experience..... make sure they tell tow company your size/weight and you want to be towed from the wheels, not the frame. After two trucks dispatched that were to small, we had to spend the night middle of nowhere! An e mail to Joyce, our angel, fixed that.. 8 am next morning a really big tow truck showed with literally white glove service. Again just my experience!
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06-21-2017, 06:06 AM
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Entegra Owners Club
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Any word from the mobile mechanic what the problem was? It might help the next person researching that CEL code.
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Digital 2021 Cornerstone "B"
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